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to think housing associations should have more accountability who they choose to allocate homes to.

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JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 18:22

DH and i have lived in a top storey block of flats in a two storey block since October 1994.
1994 to 1998 Elderly lady lived underneath us. No problems or complaints. Lovely woman We even used to exchange Christmas cards.
1998 to 2017. Single man lived underneath. Really nice man Again no problems or complaints Unfortunately died in the flat at Easter 2017

Empty for a year.
2018 to 2019 Drug dealer who used to argue with his girlfriend and i used to hear things being thrown around.

Flat empty between summer 2019 and Feb 2022
Feb 2022 to present day now we have an abusive alcoholic underneath us who bangs on the ceiling if i so much as move. Our flat is carpeted and rugged. NO laminate flooring. He called me a cunt when i left the flat to go out one Thursday morning. He also called me a cunt when i took out some recycling yesterday afternoon. I went for a pee at 1.30 this morning and he chanted You fat cunt You fat cunt You fat cunt three times at me through the bathroom floor.
His mum provides him with money and food due to his habit
As ive already posted we have never had this kind of crap before and we have been here nearly 29 years. HAs need to be more accountable especially when these decisions affect other tenants

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Ap24 · 21/08/2023 23:50

It should be easier for problem neighbours to get evicted. I had an issue with some years ago when I was renting. They playing loud music until early in the morning. As soon as I complained the abuse started. It made my life a complete misery.

And as for the posters saying even the worst behaved should have somewhere to live, why should they? Do you really think that we would have such an issue if these individuals weren't given chance after chance? Maybe the threat of homelessness would sort some of these idiots out.

nationallampoons · 21/08/2023 23:51

My cousin lives in a block of flats and his neighbour has severe mental health and also has alcoholism.

He bangs on the walls in a rhythm all the time. It has to be the same rhythm or he kicks off. It goes on for hours and hours and throughout the day and night

The police are called constantly, especially if he starts screaming with again, is all the time

All the neighbours have diaries going and all complain and call the police

As sad as it is for the bloke, it's awful for all the neighbours too

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 23:52

You've lived there for 3 decades and never had an issue. Now you have one issue with one neighbour and all of a sudden its "housing associations should house these people away from me

No ive never had an issue But you would have blamed me either way because thats what gaslighters do

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FerryPink · 21/08/2023 23:53

nationallampoons · 21/08/2023 23:51

My cousin lives in a block of flats and his neighbour has severe mental health and also has alcoholism.

He bangs on the walls in a rhythm all the time. It has to be the same rhythm or he kicks off. It goes on for hours and hours and throughout the day and night

The police are called constantly, especially if he starts screaming with again, is all the time

All the neighbours have diaries going and all complain and call the police

As sad as it is for the bloke, it's awful for all the neighbours too

They should report to environment health too (local authority). Noise is a genuine public health issue, it affects people's mental and physical well-being. The EH team can do noise monitoring.

They should also report to the landlord - regularly

FerryPink · 21/08/2023 23:53

(and if necessary go to the housing ombudsman)

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 21/08/2023 23:56

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 23:52

You've lived there for 3 decades and never had an issue. Now you have one issue with one neighbour and all of a sudden its "housing associations should house these people away from me

No ive never had an issue But you would have blamed me either way because thats what gaslighters do

Sorry, are you now putting words into my mouth? I'm simply replying to the information you are sharing.

I don't doubt that life could be/is hell living next to nightmare neighbours.

My point is, and will remain, why are you suggesting they are moved elsewhere, when elsewhere is also mext to neighbours who shouldn't have to put up with this? People need to be housed.

You suggest they go elsewhere. Where?

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 23:57

Bernadette You still havent answred my question. Why is it classed as street harassment when it happens in the street but you are a NIMBY if you dont want to put up with it coming through the walls of your home

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SapphireEyes88 · 21/08/2023 23:58

How would HA know beforehand that they were a nightmare neighbour? Do you think there's a questionnaire asking if people are a*seholes, or that people would be honest if they were? Do you think private tenants are all perfectly behaved?
If you've complained multiple times, kept a log of abuse etc and HA haven't done anything, fair enough, but you haven't reported it so they don't know there's a problem. He may have appeared to be perfectly polite during the 10 minutes he signed his lease!
Get onto HA, make a note of everything with dates and times and do it sooner rather than later. Good luck!

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 21/08/2023 23:59

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 23:57

Bernadette You still havent answred my question. Why is it classed as street harassment when it happens in the street but you are a NIMBY if you dont want to put up with it coming through the walls of your home

I haven't seen your post asking me this question, can you quote it so I can read an respond? Did you tag me in it?

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 23:59

Can you please copy and paste where i said THEY should go elsewhere. THEY is plural

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JenniferBooth · 22/08/2023 00:00

My second post about it is self explanatory You are one of those posters who gets off on making people type stuff over and over.

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BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/08/2023 00:01

JenniferBooth · 21/08/2023 23:38

Bernadette You are saying i think im too good because i dont want to be abused. WOW Red flag much.

Well riddle me this. If i had walked past this man in the street where he had shouted abuse at me it would be street harassment no question.

So why is it not harassment just because its been shouted up from one flat to another??!!!!

Just read back in your posts and sw this.

I'm not sure where jve said its not harassment? Have you misinterpreted my comments?

If you are being harassed, report it to the police. If the harasser is housed in HA property, report them to the HA.

My comments on this thread are addressing the suggestion that HAs house "difficult" tenants more responsibly - aka away from you (is my interpretation of your comments). So where?

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2023 00:02

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 21/08/2023 23:46

Polish the halo with the virtue signalling

So when I say "people need homes" I get asked "where? Next to you?"

Then I say they do live next to me I'm virtue signalling?

This place is fucking mental some times.

And as for the "designated ASBO" homes suggestion above. Come the fuck on. This is how you end up with ghettos and pockets of areas which are 100% no man's lands in terms of safety.

You are virtue signalling.

It's easy to say 'oh they have to live somewhere' when it's not your life being destroyed.

In effect you are happy for the lives of others to be destroyed cos well that's just being inclusive. .

Bollocks is it.

Unless you are happy to volunteer and actually move next door to a problem neighbour so that others don't have to deal with it, save your armchair comments. It's meaningless hot air aka virtue signalling.

Look how wonderful I am for saying I love in an area where there's everyone and none of those dreadful snobby horrible NIMBYs.

Newsflash: not wishing to live next door to someone threatening you, abusing you or scaring you doesn't make someone a NIMBY. It makes them a victim of a crime.

JenniferBooth · 22/08/2023 00:03

Oh so its your INTERPRETATION of my comments now Backtracking now i see

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RedToothBrush · 22/08/2023 00:04

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/08/2023 00:01

Just read back in your posts and sw this.

I'm not sure where jve said its not harassment? Have you misinterpreted my comments?

If you are being harassed, report it to the police. If the harasser is housed in HA property, report them to the HA.

My comments on this thread are addressing the suggestion that HAs house "difficult" tenants more responsibly - aka away from you (is my interpretation of your comments). So where?

She's having cunt shouted at her.

Explain to me how that's not targeted harassment and abuse?

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/08/2023 00:06

OP, I hope your HA staff visiting the estate goes well, that they are able to solve this matter, and that you can return to quiet enjoyment of your home.

To the others who seem to want to pile on simply because I have a slightly different opinion overall on this wider matter, I'm content to agree to disagree.

I'd argue that saying "oh but I intentionally moved next to XYZ so that someone else didn't have to endure them" would actually be peak virtue signalling, so thanks for that humorous comment, whoever said that above.

Best of luck OP.

FerryPink · 22/08/2023 00:09

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2023 00:02

You are virtue signalling.

It's easy to say 'oh they have to live somewhere' when it's not your life being destroyed.

In effect you are happy for the lives of others to be destroyed cos well that's just being inclusive. .

Bollocks is it.

Unless you are happy to volunteer and actually move next door to a problem neighbour so that others don't have to deal with it, save your armchair comments. It's meaningless hot air aka virtue signalling.

Look how wonderful I am for saying I love in an area where there's everyone and none of those dreadful snobby horrible NIMBYs.

Newsflash: not wishing to live next door to someone threatening you, abusing you or scaring you doesn't make someone a NIMBY. It makes them a victim of a crime.

Agreed. No idea who pissed on Bernadette's chips tonight but it's bizarre to keep going on at someone who is clearly distressed

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2023 00:09

JenniferBooth · 22/08/2023 00:00

My second post about it is self explanatory You are one of those posters who gets off on making people type stuff over and over.

Na they are trying to make the thread all about them and how wonderful they are because they accept everyone.

It's reverse snobbery. Hence the comments about NIMBYs. It's effectively trying to paint you as somehow a middle class prick who doesn't like people who are different and isn't accepting enough. Cos they are cool and ultra working class and down to earth.

The comment saying if you think youve been harassed, when you've clearly detailed an example of obvious harassment is the killer comment that illustrates how this poster is making it all about them and not you

Because they are trying to minimise and suggest that shouting cunt doesn't necessarily constitute harassment/abuse somehow. And it's perfectly normal behaviour which isn't designed to intimidate.

Ignore.

Others can see what they are and how they are on a wind up mission.

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2023 00:10

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/08/2023 00:06

OP, I hope your HA staff visiting the estate goes well, that they are able to solve this matter, and that you can return to quiet enjoyment of your home.

To the others who seem to want to pile on simply because I have a slightly different opinion overall on this wider matter, I'm content to agree to disagree.

I'd argue that saying "oh but I intentionally moved next to XYZ so that someone else didn't have to endure them" would actually be peak virtue signalling, so thanks for that humorous comment, whoever said that above.

Best of luck OP.

Annnnnnndddddd dodged the request to explain why the OP isn't being harassed...

...I rest my case.

JenniferBooth · 22/08/2023 00:10

Thankyou Red and others for your support. Flowers

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FerryPink · 22/08/2023 00:10

I hope the housing association sort it for you @JenniferBooth but if it persists please follow their complaints procedure and if that fails try the housing ombudsman

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 22/08/2023 00:11

I have not said the OP was not being harassed. Anyone who is harassed should report it. Where have I said they werent?

Im99912 · 22/08/2023 00:28

My ex neighbour certainly don’t deserve social housing .
living under a bridge or on the streets would be to good for him

he made my life and my family and other neighbors life absolute hell for several years in part aided by the council as they were to scared to evict him and do anything .

thankfully Im a dam sight smarter than the council
and the neighbor and used the law to get the fucker out and I take great satisfaction that he lost his councilor house and he knows that it was down to me

if he was dying on the street I would happily walk over him I wouldn’t piss on him if he was on fire

i feel awful for anyone who has him as a neighbor because he isn’t just mentally Ill he’s actually very dangerous and even the judge said that really he should be in hospital but there simply isn’t the help for people like him so they are able to carry on making peoples life hell until they really hurt or kill someone’s
then they get all the help they need

SinisterBumFacedCat · 22/08/2023 00:44

This is happening at my Uncle’s place, a block of 4 flats previously all tenants single people in their 50/60s on low incomes. Social housing is so scarce that the people with the highest needs and often the biggest problems are first on the list. So they moved a young girl in who is an addict, has mental health problems, sleeps all day and plays loud music all night, shouts at the neighbours, has a succession of boyfriends and is regularly sectioned onto a quiet cul de sac of families and people who need a good nights sleep to go to work in the morning. Unsuitable for everyone.

ConsuelaHammock · 22/08/2023 01:42

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 21/08/2023 22:50

All humans deserve somewhere to live. Even if they are dicks, even if they are ASBO'd up to the eyeballs. Every human should have a home they can live in.

I disagree . If you want to live in a civilised society you have to behave appropriately. I’d stick them all in a tent on an island somewhere 🤪
Record record record and report him every opportunity you get. I really feel for you.