Page 7 | Is the COVID 19 pandemic "over"?

verdantverdure · 2023-08-17T07:50:34+00:00

I just thought I'd ask. YABU The COVID 19 pandemic IS "over." YANBU The COVID 19 pandemic is not "over".

Bonfire23 · 18/08/2023 12:04

@Alexandra2001 I get that, just pointing out that age isn't the only reason for eligibility
They're vaccinating the most vulnerable. I'm 39 and will have it free as I do every year

Pregnant women, carers, close contacts of immunocompromised people... all eligible not on age

They've changed the age to align with the covid vaccine apparently

Alexandra2001 · 18/08/2023 12:07

@Bonfire23 I see but i think its more a cost saving exercise and one that may backfire on them or rather us as we are the ones that queue for GP NHS etc.

babybopella · 18/08/2023 12:43

OCaptain · 18/08/2023 11:43

@babybopella

The death numbers are not accurate. Anyone who died with covid was reported as dying of covid when in fact they died of other things. Load of rubbish

Or, turn that around (if you can). Say someone with cancer catches Covid. Due to their underlying vulnerabilities, Covid is devastating for them and they die within a week. Did Covid kill them or cancer - or both?

I would say ultimately it was the cancer.
I say the figures are not accurate because I was in hospital not long ago, I had covid while I was in there but I wasn’t in there for that, I was well in myself, just that they made me test and it was positive. I was fine and was in hospital for something completely different. The time I was there, they had figures of patients in hospital with covid.. I was one of them, but why? I wasn’t being treated for it, nor was I even poorly. So it’s not accurate it’s just a load of made up rubbish

LlynTegid · 18/08/2023 12:45

Technically yes as the WHO said.

Still no excuse for some sensible measures to reduce any spread, and in particular that those in government who were corrupt or send people to their deaths should face justice.

RafaistheKingofClay · 18/08/2023 12:49

babybopella · 18/08/2023 12:43

I would say ultimately it was the cancer.
I say the figures are not accurate because I was in hospital not long ago, I had covid while I was in there but I wasn’t in there for that, I was well in myself, just that they made me test and it was positive. I was fine and was in hospital for something completely different. The time I was there, they had figures of patients in hospital with covid.. I was one of them, but why? I wasn’t being treated for it, nor was I even poorly. So it’s not accurate it’s just a load of made up rubbish

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They collected both and reported those in there primarily with covid and those in that happened to have covid. With a caveat that the figures for from covid were probably an undercount due to the covid counting as being incidental if you were admitted for heart attack /stroke / kidney failure because they couldn’t definitively say that covid caused it.

HennyPenny1234 · 18/08/2023 12:53

There is a Covid section on MN

RafaistheKingofClay · 18/08/2023 12:54

Alexandra2001 · 18/08/2023 11:52

Hardly surprising, NHS staff (with Covid) are now told to come to work along side other AHPs and patients (in our trust area)

What i don't get is the flu vaccine restrictions, offering to over, say 55s, seems a no brainer, instead, what looks like a policy designed to save money, its over 65s.... Flu can be terribly debilitating.

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Someone on here reminded me they did this last year. Initially said only over 65s and then had to backtrack when they realised what a shitshow it would be. They may well do the same this year. Hopefully.

Tootsey11 · 18/08/2023 12:57

Every ward in the hospital that Dp works in is full of covid and people are still dying. It might be over but its along way off being 'over'

Normalnormal · 18/08/2023 12:58

Tootsey11 · 18/08/2023 12:57

Every ward in the hospital that Dp works in is full of covid and people are still dying. It might be over but its along way off being 'over'

A pandemic being over doesn’t mean the disease has disappeared.

x2boys · 18/08/2023 13:38

babybopella · 18/08/2023 12:43

I would say ultimately it was the cancer.
I say the figures are not accurate because I was in hospital not long ago, I had covid while I was in there but I wasn’t in there for that, I was well in myself, just that they made me test and it was positive. I was fine and was in hospital for something completely different. The time I was there, they had figures of patients in hospital with covid.. I was one of them, but why? I wasn’t being treated for it, nor was I even poorly. So it’s not accurate it’s just a load of made up rubbish

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So from your own very anecdotal experience you have deduced the whole thing was rubbish gotcha ,👍

OCaptain · 18/08/2023 14:08

@babybopella

I would say ultimately it was the cancer.

It would be Covid, with the cancer being an additional cause of death. Without Covid, that person may have lived years longer.

I say the figures are not accurate because I was in hospital not long ago, I had covid while I was in there but I wasn’t in there for that, I was well in myself, just that they made me test and it was positive. I was fine and was in hospital for something completely different. The time I was there, they had figures of patients in hospital with covid.. I was one of them, but why? I wasn’t being treated for it, nor was I even poorly. So it’s not accurate it’s just a load of made up rubbish

Covid can present asymptomatically or quite mildly. Your anecdote proves something only to yourself.

Howmuchfurther · 18/08/2023 14:37

It will never be over for me.

I was, and am, horrified that the majority of people on the UK have no interest in:
civil rights
family rights
small business

If they had no morals, they should at least have cared about how we are able to eat and stay warm.

People who believe whatever Govt says and value obedience to Govt over all else, are dangerous.

babybopella · 18/08/2023 14:42

OCaptain · 18/08/2023 14:08

@babybopella

I would say ultimately it was the cancer.

It would be Covid, with the cancer being an additional cause of death. Without Covid, that person may have lived years longer.

I say the figures are not accurate because I was in hospital not long ago, I had covid while I was in there but I wasn’t in there for that, I was well in myself, just that they made me test and it was positive. I was fine and was in hospital for something completely different. The time I was there, they had figures of patients in hospital with covid.. I was one of them, but why? I wasn’t being treated for it, nor was I even poorly. So it’s not accurate it’s just a load of made up rubbish

Covid can present asymptomatically or quite mildly. Your anecdote proves something only to yourself.

Or, if that person didn’t have cancer, the Covid wouldn’t have killed them

Howmuchfurther · 18/08/2023 14:43

OCaptain · 18/08/2023 14:08

@babybopella

I would say ultimately it was the cancer.

It would be Covid, with the cancer being an additional cause of death. Without Covid, that person may have lived years longer.

I say the figures are not accurate because I was in hospital not long ago, I had covid while I was in there but I wasn’t in there for that, I was well in myself, just that they made me test and it was positive. I was fine and was in hospital for something completely different. The time I was there, they had figures of patients in hospital with covid.. I was one of them, but why? I wasn’t being treated for it, nor was I even poorly. So it’s not accurate it’s just a load of made up rubbish

Covid can present asymptomatically or quite mildly. Your anecdote proves something only to yourself.

The figures were published by the Office for National Statistics.

Age adjusted excess deaths for 2020 were higher than 2009-2019 but lower than 2008 and all preceding years.

Despite closing ?maybe a third of NHS capacity in 2020, the death rate was hardly affected.

Increased deaths from closing the global economy fell generally on poorer countries. Increased deaths from the consequent fall in living standards will come through over time.

babybopella · 18/08/2023 14:44

x2boys · 18/08/2023 13:38

So from your own very anecdotal experience you have deduced the whole thing was rubbish gotcha ,👍

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No I thought it was all rubbish way before that.

Howmuchfurther · 18/08/2023 14:45

x2boys · 18/08/2023 13:38

So from your own very anecdotal experience you have deduced the whole thing was rubbish gotcha ,👍

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The ONS (post above) shows it was rubbish.

Regardless of that. Allowing Govt to use an emergency, whether real or fake, to trample on human rights, will reduce our living standards for generations.

Moonsun88 · 18/08/2023 14:54

Tootsey11 · 18/08/2023 12:57

Every ward in the hospital that Dp works in is full of covid and people are still dying. It might be over but its along way off being 'over'

Sure thing, nothing to do with anything else that people are dying of hey? Only on mumsnet would anyone believe this. 😣and yes I know several people in 3 different hospitals , funny how drying of divide since happening there but designs in excess diseases huge increase.

Moonsun88 · 18/08/2023 14:55

Covid, not divide

x2boys · 18/08/2023 15:09

Howmuchfurther · 18/08/2023 14:45

The ONS (post above) shows it was rubbish.

Regardless of that. Allowing Govt to use an emergency, whether real or fake, to trample on human rights, will reduce our living standards for generations.

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Well that's not what the staff on the critical care unit told me a few months ago they said they had never seen anything like it ,I assume you think they must all of been in one big conspiracy ?

Howmuchfurther · 18/08/2023 15:22

x2boys · 18/08/2023 15:09

Well that's not what the staff on the critical care unit told me a few months ago they said they had never seen anything like it ,I assume you think they must all of been in one big conspiracy ?

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I have never been able to reconcile what they say with a) stats and b) observation.

Best guess is:
1). staff absences making the remainder busy
2). treating everyone with Covid (seasonal flu is almost ubiquitous) as needing to be on a Covid ward and therefore increasing business of those sections
3) inappropriate use of ventilators and relaxants
4) people seeing what they expect to see and saying what they are expected to say
5) the NHS had had an invidious guideline culture for a while before that. They know the consequences of stepping out of line. After a time they learn to believe the party line.

However I don’t need to explain it. Stats and observation don’t back it.

And.

Destroying the fabric of society will have repercussions for generations.

PinkCherryBlossoms · 18/08/2023 15:41

I don't see it as an either/or. It's totally believable that NHS staff have never seen anything like the only pandemic most of them will ever have experienced. It's also totally believable that we're going to be feeling the ramifications of lockdown for decades.

Howmuchfurther · 18/08/2023 16:46

PinkCherryBlossoms · 18/08/2023 15:41

I don't see it as an either/or. It's totally believable that NHS staff have never seen anything like the only pandemic most of them will ever have experienced. It's also totally believable that we're going to be feeling the ramifications of lockdown for decades.

Good post

babybopella · 18/08/2023 17:17

PinkCherryBlossoms · 18/08/2023 15:41

I don't see it as an either/or. It's totally believable that NHS staff have never seen anything like the only pandemic most of them will ever have experienced. It's also totally believable that we're going to be feeling the ramifications of lockdown for decades.

Indeed we will

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verdantverdure · 19/08/2023 12:40

zingally · 18/08/2023 12:00

It's "over" as in "not a pandemic any more". But it's still very much around. I had it for the second time at the end of June just gone, just a mild cough, nothing major at the time. It's fucked up my sense of smell though! I now have parosmia, and everything stinks like vaguely rotten meat. Luckily, taste seems mostly unaffected.

Oh god that sounds dreadful. I hope it wears off.

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AmaryllisNightAndDay · 19/08/2023 12:51

Agree with pp, it's gone from pandemic to endemic. I feel grumpy that after more than three years of not getting Covid I've just caught it. I don't think it's a small number of people getting it, numbers are on the rise again though we're not testing and monitoring so much so who knows. With the vaccines it seems more like a nuisance with some risk than a big danger.

I'm in Scotland, over 60, been offered flu but not Covid vax this autumn.