Cyclists who act like they own the road should pay towards it

[dreamingofsun]

So cyclists get priority on the roads, and are happy to ride two abreast so they hold all the car traffic up. Shouldnt they at least pay towards the upkeep of the road?

Link to data please.

@DatumTarum

sorry not your assistant.
look it up yourself
jeez.

my views and built on the data and the behaviour and that things should improve and that never happens with out appropriate controls and regulations.

sick of politicians saying the public knows best. They rationally can’t on all topics.

experts knows best.!

I’ve found this relating to cyclists on the pavement and jumping red lights.

“motor vehicles are involved in about 99% of fatal collisions with pedestrians on pavements or verges – 305 between 2012 and 2020 (averaging around 34 a year).

Over this entire period, cycles were involved in two pedestrian deaths on the pavement/verge, both in 2014

From 2012-20, one of the 32 pedestrians who were killed by someone who jumped a red light was hit by a cycle (in 2020).

Seventeen out the 385 serious pedestrian casualties hit by someone jumping a red light were hit by a cycle rider (4%). The rest were hit by other vehicles”

@WellPlaced

yeah so all who caused an accident should have insurance.

the point here wasn’t to prove cars are worse. Of course they are.

alsonalot of people don’t report issues with cyclists because there is no ping and no way to identify

and registration scheme would help investigations

""Overall the data indicates that, in one-on-one collisions, drivers and cyclists broadly share the blame in those involving deaths and the most serious injuries""

Yes that's right, you read it here 'share the blame'

You seem to be labouring under the common misaprehension that an absence of insurance means an absence of liability.

If we required every person to wear a registration plate around their neck it would make investigating all sorts of things easier. We don't do this because...?

And to whomever asked, yes I cycle. I drive too. Funnily enough I can walk as well.

Cyclists that pay general tax do pay towards the roads Road tax hasn't existed for years!!

@Frabbits

dont assume I am doing anything that’s rather patronising

I am saying the chance of getting appropriate recompense is increased.

ps if there was a registration scheme for different bikes finding a person who cycled off would be a darn site easier

You didn't answer the question.

Why not force everyone to have a registration number around their necks at all times? Would make catching all sorts of unsocial types much easier, after all.

You're trying to solve a problem doesn't exist.

Cyclists are not a significant problem.

I think drivers should have to wear helmets, and pedestrians, as well as being readily identifiable at all times 😅

There's no sensible argument against wearing a helmet at all times except in bed

A friend was once out riding, wearing a helmet, stopped for a breather, took his helmet off, fell over, whacked his head and has been blind ever since. That's some savage luck

Question for the helmet, hi viz and insurance brigade... I wear a helmet, I have fully comp insurance for my bikes which includes 3rd party liabilty as well as theft and accidental damage cover to my own bikes, I'm a member of British Cycling and a trained ride leader and every single one of my jerseys and shorts have reflective detailing on. All my bad weather gear is fluo pink, my helmet is fluo pink, my shoes are fluo pink (moving parts of a cyclist are often more visible than static parts so shoes are worthwhile being bright.) and I drive a car on which I pay 'for the roads' (whihc is bullshit but if that's your strawman argument then i'm paying the same tax as the drivers who don't cycle. I can count on one hand the number of traffic lights that feature on my regular routes, and all of them are on very big busy junctions where running them to go straight on would be absolutely suicidal so I don't.

Why do I still get close passed, stuff thrown at me, abuse out of the window etc? What do you want me to do because it seems it's actually just 'not be there', so why waste your time with the helmet/insurance/hi-viz diatribe when complying with it makes fuck all difference to how you are treated, and just reveal your true selfish colours.

Most of the time you are not caught in queues behind cyclists. Maybe once or twice for a few seconds.

I agree that groups of MAMILs can be a pain on a Sunday morning, so you change your route to avoid the main routes you know they take.

That is the exact problem though. You're there, and you're lesser. There is nothing that will placate those that rank their time against another's safety. They're just idiots

@TeresaCrowd

They is no excuse for the terrible people that do that to you.
apart from poor ip bringing and lack of responsibility.

sorry you face that and well done for the other stuff!

@OneTC then then idiots need to stop bringing up helmets/hiviz/insurance in every single one of these threads don’t they. Sadly the people that interact with my post will be reasonable people where it’s essentially preaching to the converted. The ones who could do with learning will just ignore because they can’t accept that ‘but insurance and road tax’ makes fuck all difference and they are just digging themselves deeper into a hole of looking a prize twat.

I'm struggling to read what you've written, I think you want to increase your charge for registration of bikes to £40. TBH you do what you want, it makes not one bit of difference to me, I explained that in my previous post along with an explanation as to why the government will not be registering bikes

As to male intellect, I have no idea as I don't have a penis and never have.

@MikeRafone

well as to make you have a mail name Mike in your name here. Hence the confusion.

I am saying yes 40 is a good number

But the answer is 42

There's no sensible argument against wearing a helmet at all times except in bed

If you hypothetically took all motorised vehicles off the roads, there would be 2000 people not killed in uk and 20000 people not suffering life changing injuries and another 40000 premature deaths

If you take bicycle of the road and shared paths, there would be one less death a year on average

I don't want cars to be off the road, I just want people driving to slow down, take care and stop crashing and hurting themselves and those around them The cost alone is £3.5bn annually https://www.statista.com/statistics/325832/casualty-costs-from-road-accidents-in-great-britain-uk-by-severity/#:~:text=The%20total%20human%20costs%20for,1.145%20billion%20British%20pounds%20respectively. The total human costs for serious casualties in road accidents surpassed 3.5 billion British pounds in the year 2020. Similarly, in the fatal- and slight-casualty-related categories, human costs remained the highest, coming in at 1.916 and 1.145 billion British pounds respectively.

@Castall don't tell me you think this poster is a squirrel? enchantedsquirrelwood

and you do you not get Teresacrowd ?

They are made up names and we are people, not squirrels

I would say that @TeresaCrowd ‘s experience is typical of the abuse received by cyclists on a regular basis.

Motorists tend to spot the ‘cyclist without lights or running a red light’ but miss these fleeting moments of abuse and close passes.

@MikeRafone

dear me