Page 11 | Dangerous dog near miss?

M4J4 · 10/08/2023 05:53

And here’s a 7yo attacked by a dog in a pub in Dorset, the cowardly dog owners fled before police arrived.

Oatycookies · 10/08/2023 05:55

volcan · 06/08/2023 23:59

I feel l Iike we had a near miss today and I feel awful about it. DC (5) was cycling around a housing estate where I was visiting a friend when he disappeared off round a corner with a group of kids. It was away from the main road so I wasn't overly concerned but when they didn't appear around the next corner I walked over to investigate. What I found was a massive bully type dog walking alongside my DC whilst it's owner was frantically trying to get it back into the house. The owner being a petite young girl holding a tiny baby. The dog was totally ignoring her and carried on tracking my DS. I told my DS to slow down so the dog would stop 'chasing' him and we got back to the car safely. My heart was in my mouth and still is. When I asked my DS what had happened he said the dog has escaped and he was trying to catch it to help the woman. I know this has been done a million times but my AIBU is that people should be prosecuted for allowing these animals out in public uncontrolled?

I think two things can be true, this dog was possibly not under control if it’s ignoring it’s owners commands to come back which is a problem and I’d hate to be on that street especially with a kid if when that happened.
I steer clear of dogs like that in fact I am wary of all dogs not on a leash and don’t think it should be allowed in most places.

However you also need to teach your child not to be chasing after any kind of dog. They are old enough to know better and if they don’t it’s time to teach them.

Oatycookies · 10/08/2023 05:58

M4J4 · 10/08/2023 05:53

And here’s a 7yo attacked by a dog in a pub in Dorset, the cowardly dog owners fled before police arrived.

That’s awful…dogs really seem everywhere nowadays so I’ve taken to doing a quick scan for dogs when I enter a cafe or restaurant. If I see a dog, I’m out.

It’s so easy for this kind of thing to happen, a dog in a strange confined place surrounded by noise and strangers, including some who may accidentally walk to close if they’re eating etc

Hope the owners were caught on cctv

CleverLilViper · 10/08/2023 05:59

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Oatycookies · 10/08/2023 06:02

CBAanymoreTBH · 09/08/2023 20:37

How rare?

Current statistics

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Of those cases 3,743 victims required reconstructive surgeryy_, and the majority of those undergoing surgery were children.

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Yes people forget most dogs don’t kill yes but there are many who attack as thousands attend NHS every year and there are many more minor bites where the family probably decides not to go to hospital in case it highlights they have a dangerous dog.

I haven’t had a man or woman lunge at me aggressively the past few years but I’ve had two dogs do so.

M4J4 · 10/08/2023 06:02

Oatycookies · 10/08/2023 05:58

That’s awful…dogs really seem everywhere nowadays so I’ve taken to doing a quick scan for dogs when I enter a cafe or restaurant. If I see a dog, I’m out.

It’s so easy for this kind of thing to happen, a dog in a strange confined place surrounded by noise and strangers, including some who may accidentally walk to close if they’re eating etc

Hope the owners were caught on cctv

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Yep, there’s always lots of bravado on these threads from dog owners and then they’re typically quiet when a child gets attacked by a strange dog.

Prescottdanni123 · 10/08/2023 06:03

@M4J4

30 million dogs live in the UK. There have been 10 deaths from dog attacks this year.

150,000 people die or are injured in road traffic accidents.

500,000 children are abused by their parents.

Oatycookies · 10/08/2023 06:04

Boomboom22 · 07/08/2023 23:46

I find it racist to say dog racism and have reported that post.
The poster is implying that stereotypes about race are true but we should ignore them. When actually stereotypes are untrue and dangerous about race but very useful to categorise dogs.
Also dogs are not comparable to men / children / Karen's?? Which now means mass murderers apparently not middle aged women who complain/ cars.

This. Well said.

M4J4 · 10/08/2023 06:05

Prescottdanni123 · 10/08/2023 06:03

@M4J4

30 million dogs live in the UK. There have been 10 deaths from dog attacks this year.

150,000 people die or are injured in road traffic accidents.

500,000 children are abused by their parents.

Why only mention deaths? A dog attack is traumatising even if you survive it and don’t die. And there are thousands of those.

Peanutbutter11 · 10/08/2023 06:06

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BlastedIce · 10/08/2023 06:34

volcan · 07/08/2023 00:17

Child was nowhere near cars. And if the dog was just having a laugh why did it's owner look completely panicked? I think I'm capable of reading a situation.

You’re not at all capable of reading a situation!

Owner “frantically” trying to get it back was because it might run off and get run over perhaps, not that it would savage your child.

Total drama over absolutely nothing happening.

Also, your ridiculous remark, they shouldn’t be allowed out in public uncontrolled? Well it was a mistake, they happen, the dog got out and was being called back.

BlastedIce · 10/08/2023 06:36

volcan · 07/08/2023 00:33

OK I get it. My 5-year old should be locked up and the bike binned whilst the dangerous dog is allowed to roam around unsupervised.

It was t allowed to roam round unsupervised though, the owner was getting it back in!

BlastedIce · 10/08/2023 06:38

volcan · 10/08/2023 05:09

As luck would have it we were sat tonight in a pub garden next to what looked the first dog's brother or sister. Almost definitely an XL Bully. Huge thing. Maybe a local breeder? It was leashed to a chair and barking intermittently at people passing. Not comfortable. DS instructed to stay at the table.

Media hype yes but this breed is hugely over represented in dog attacks/deaths. So is the hype not justified?

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/american-bully-dog-breed-spotlight-uk-fatal-attacks

Of course you were!

local breeder? Best you move then.

Hibiscrubbed · 10/08/2023 06:39

volcan · 10/08/2023 05:09

As luck would have it we were sat tonight in a pub garden next to what looked the first dog's brother or sister. Almost definitely an XL Bully. Huge thing. Maybe a local breeder? It was leashed to a chair and barking intermittently at people passing. Not comfortable. DS instructed to stay at the table.

Media hype yes but this breed is hugely over represented in dog attacks/deaths. So is the hype not justified?

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jun/04/american-bully-dog-breed-spotlight-uk-fatal-attacks

So not a pit bill then? Because they’re banned. But an American bull dog. Which are legal. That you just luckily managed to see again in the pub?

I think if the woman was panicked, it was because her dog had wandered out of the garden and because she was trying to manage that and a small baby. And maybe because your child was chasing him on his bike, and he may have chased him onto the road. Not because she thought he was about to go full Cujo.

BlastedIce · 10/08/2023 06:41

@volcan what was the near miss?

That you child completely out of your view wasn’t snatched, because you do know that happens don’t you?

whowhatwerewhy · 10/08/2023 07:02

You sat in a pub garden next to what you perceive as a dangerous dog . If you thought the dog was that dangerous surely you take your child and leave .

Prescottdanni123 · 10/08/2023 08:29

@M4J4

I'm just saying, keep things in proportion. A lot of people on mumsnet thinks that anything that has four legs, fur and barks is a bloodthirsty monster. The amount of dog related injuries/deaths is very low when compared to a lot of other dangers. The amount of dogs that bite or attack someone every year is tiny compared to the anount that don't.

primoseyellow · 10/08/2023 08:34

@sashagabadon completely agree with this. Breed genetics and traits can be very strong.

CBAanymoreTBH · 10/08/2023 11:05

CleverLilViper · 10/08/2023 05:42

Why pit bulls are being mentioned on here I don’t know as they’re banned in the UK. They’re not bred for aggression, either.

They were originally known as nanny dogs. Great with kids. The trouble is, many
people who get hold of pit bulls, XL bullies, Rottweilers, etc either want a status symbol and to look hard or don’t have a fucking clue.

It’s not the breed. It’s the backyard breeders and shitty owners. There’s a lot more people now trying to raise awareness of this and attract good owners to the breeds.

You can’t blame the dog when they’ve been raised to be aggressive. Or poorly trained or under stimulated. This idea that a breed is intrinsically aggressive is ludicrous and removes all human responsibility.

For every attack by one of the feared breeds (and there seems to be a new one every month- feared breed that is) there’s one hundred dogs of the same breed that is perfectly lovely and well behaved. You don’t hear about that because it wouldn’t suit the narrative.

It’s also a little known fact that the media loves to report on dog attacks and then use images of a breed not involved in said attack. Anything to push the narrative as most people won’t read beyond the headline to find out.

i used to be terrified of staffies. A couple of them had attacked my childhood dog multiple times. Now I realise that the owner made the dogs that way. They wanted a status symbol and made them aggressive. Now I just feel sad for the dogs.

This nanny dog thing is completely false! Yes pit bulls most definitely were bred for aggression as well as "gameness" which means tenacity...not backing down basically

CBAanymoreTBH · 10/08/2023 11:10

Prescottdanni123 · 10/08/2023 05:39

@CBAanymoreTBH

That is still less than the amount of people being attacked by other humans.

The vast majority of dog attacks are caused by dogs either being abused by humans or bred for aggression by humans so we are the real monsters in this situation really.

Equating a breed of dog attack ratio to a human attack ratio is nonsensical. This breed of dog is not necessary as a pet. Why do you suppose rescue centres are full of them? Yes every single one. A dog like this might have a use if you live on a ranch and need a muscular dog to pull logs & defend your stock against wild animals but they have no place trotting around the streets.

CBAanymoreTBH · 10/08/2023 11:15

Hivaluegirl · 10/08/2023 02:19

If you fear dogs, stay in playgrounds were they cannot go.
Work and buy a house in the middle of nowhere
Go live in a cave

It's your issue nobody else's and unfortunately the world doesn't revolve around you and your pathetic fears.

Humans should be able to move around freely in public spaces without fear of a dog attack.

CBAanymoreTBH · 10/08/2023 11:17

CleverLilViper · 10/08/2023 05:42

Why pit bulls are being mentioned on here I don’t know as they’re banned in the UK. They’re not bred for aggression, either.

They were originally known as nanny dogs. Great with kids. The trouble is, many
people who get hold of pit bulls, XL bullies, Rottweilers, etc either want a status symbol and to look hard or don’t have a fucking clue.

It’s not the breed. It’s the backyard breeders and shitty owners. There’s a lot more people now trying to raise awareness of this and attract good owners to the breeds.

You can’t blame the dog when they’ve been raised to be aggressive. Or poorly trained or under stimulated. This idea that a breed is intrinsically aggressive is ludicrous and removes all human responsibility.

For every attack by one of the feared breeds (and there seems to be a new one every month- feared breed that is) there’s one hundred dogs of the same breed that is perfectly lovely and well behaved. You don’t hear about that because it wouldn’t suit the narrative.

It’s also a little known fact that the media loves to report on dog attacks and then use images of a breed not involved in said attack. Anything to push the narrative as most people won’t read beyond the headline to find out.

i used to be terrified of staffies. A couple of them had attacked my childhood dog multiple times. Now I realise that the owner made the dogs that way. They wanted a status symbol and made them aggressive. Now I just feel sad for the dogs.

You do know a dog and a wolf share over 98 per cent DNA? Now how dissimilar do you suppose a pit bull is to an XL when an XL is literally a pit bull & mastiff cross breed

ForTheLoveOfSleep · 10/08/2023 11:28

CBAanymoreTBH · 10/08/2023 11:15

Humans should be able to move around freely in public spaces without fear of a dog attack.

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Should being the key word here. Fact is they can't. OP's 5 year old was out of her sight on a public roadway. We all know this is the epitomy of stupidity by the OP. Luckily this time he came across what seems to be a friendly animal (which, just saying, her child approached). Next time it may be a non friendly animal of the human variety.

No dog is 100% safe and it is up to each individual to ensure thier own safety and the safety of their children.

Prescottdanni123 · 10/08/2023 11:38

@CBAanymoreTBH

XL bullies aren't the devil incarnate though. There will be plenty of friendly, soft ones. Likewise, there will be plenty of friendly, soft pitbulls. So it doesn't really matter how closely related XL bullies and pitbulls are.

And dogs are about as closely related with wolves as we are with chimps so 🤷‍♀️

Prescottdanni123 · 10/08/2023 11:49

@CBAanymoreTBH

Last time I am going to try to explain this and then I'm leaving this thread.

It is all about proportion. Plenty of mumsnetters don't believe any dog deserves the air it breathes because of the very small risk of a dog attack. I'm just pointing out that the risks that dogs pose it often blown WAY out of proportion both on here and in the news.

And my reasons for mentioning the amount of human attacks compared to dog attacks is just to show that out of the two species, we are the monsters, not dogs. You can't genuinely look at what humans do to each other, animals, the planet and think that dogs are the villains of this world can you?