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Close friends relationship driving me mad!

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notagolddigger · 05/08/2023 02:56

Emma 25 and Luke 23 have been together coming on to three years. They have more or less lived together since they started their relationship and recently adopted two cats. This is Emma’s first relationship.

When they first started texting, Emma & I were out for food and as was Luke and another female (arrived after us and were sitting in close proximity). Both Emma & I knew they were on a date but Luke tried to deny this and say it was his sister. Luke would often go on dates while Emma was waiting at his home (they weren’t exclusive). Luke lived with Emma’s friends and she had easy access to his accommodation and took full advantage of this. He previously lived in a student estate before moving in with her friends and Emma would occasionally drive by his house to see if the lights were on. I didn’t agree with a lot of Emma’s behaviours and also thought Luke was making a complete mug out of her & we ended up falling out for just shy of a year because of my opinion.

A year on, Emma sends me a big text apologising and stated that while I was right about “absolutely everything”, Emma and Luke were now officially a couple doing great and even lived together. Of course, I took this for face value and accepted her apology as I only had her best interests at heart and we decided to repair our friendship.

NOTHING. HAS. CHANGED!

Emma & Luke aren’t right for each other but I learned the hard way that it is absolutely not my place to say or voice this. When we initially rekindled our friendship, Emma said Luke was texting a then married woman behind her back and she only found out because she checked his spare phone. Of course, Luke was not at fault and Emma decided to message a really degrading message to the woman. The woman wrote back and provided the receipts that while they were never physically intimate or even met outside of the gym, Luke reached out to her first and never mentioned once having a girlfriend. She was absolutely right and even from Luke’s message perspective (I was shown screenshots), everything aligned with what the woman had explained but Emma had love goggles on and couldn’t (still can’t) see this. To date, Luke still hasn’t posted any pictures of Emma on his social media & only reshared a couples picture once to his story.

Emma & Luke recently returned from their first holiday together, and the reason why they haven’t gone away abroad together before this was because Luke prioritises work and would prefer to take team trips than couple trips. Emma has stated gojng to all of Luke’s team games and practices to spend more time with him because she would “otherwise not get to see him”. Luke rarely supports or attends any of Emma’s work events & when Emma invites Luke, he gets defensive and tries to say that Emma plans every “free hour of his life”. For context, Emma works in the music/event sector and is frequently put up in hotels with food provided (all paid) with all access entry to the events she orchestrated, it’s not like she’s inviting Luke to a boring conference!

For the past month, they have just been arguing 25/8 and I am exhausted listening to Emma talk about it! Last night they had an argument over Luke’s female friend who lives with them but was agreed that it would only be temporary until she finds a new apartment to rent. Two months later, it is apparent that this friend has no intentions of moving and causes a lot of issues between them. Luke decided to tell Emma he needed space for the evening and when they discussed it that night, Luke decided to personally attack Emma’s character and state that she’s the problem (within their living accomdation) and that her attitude stinks. He said that Emma rarely goes and does things without him and reiterated how she tries to plan every hour free of his, and then said he felt like he was settling. He said that some days he decides to leave the house early so he’s not there when she comes home because he can’t bare to see her straight away.

Of course, I wiped Emma’s tears, and decided to finally voice my opinion and say that this was not acceptable behaviour but really upsetting to hear as her friend. She then got upset with me. While she agreed, she decided to buy him a card and write a handwritten love note to apologize and that she was willing to squash this and move on. LIKE, WHAT? Luke is Emma’s first boyfriend and even if he cheated on her, she wouldn’t leave, but Luke’s clearly unhappy and not content with their relationship & I can’t understand why he won’t breakup with Emma.

I feel emotionally drained from listening to how dysfunctional they are in day in and day out but Emma & I have only grown closer and I would hate to lose our friendship again. I have tried to set boundaries in place where we agree to not discuss Luke as she’s aware I don’t exactly like him (I wonder why) and they’re usually respected for a couple of weeks and then forgotten about entirely. AIBU to feel this way?

What should I do? Her mum isn’t aware of any of the above because Emma knows her mum would tell her to run, & I am debating messaging another one of her close friends to see if she would share her opinion but I’m concious of it going back to Emma at the same time.

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JackRosenberg · 05/08/2023 03:09

I think you should stop involving yourself in other people's relationships. Are you also in your mid 20s? It sounds like you enjoy the drama if I'm honest.

It's not the greatest relationship no, but often people need to learn from their own mistakes. It doesn't sound like she's in danger, just not making excellent life choices.

Leave her to it, offer a sympathetic ear if you cam and if not set some boundaries that mean she doesn't lean on you for moaning about it.

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 05/08/2023 03:16

I would take Emma out for a fun night, before too many drinks were consumed I would say something like ‘Emma you are an amazing person, (list a couple of positive things about her). Luke isn’t treating you well and that breaks my heart, I understand you love him and don’t want to lose him but you know you are worth so much more than this. ‘

Then leave it at that. Don’t spend the night bitching about him. Let her have a bit of time to talk about him when you catch up, then change the subject. Don’t offer advice, just listen because she is your friend. Don’t get into the drama because she won’t leave the relationship until she is ready.

If every time you see her the conversation is only about Luke and changing the subject doesn’t work you can either put up with it, or stop spending time with her. Sometimes our friends are drowning in drama, and the only choices we have are to swim away or go under with them.

notagolddigger · 05/08/2023 03:20

JackRosenberg · 05/08/2023 03:09

I think you should stop involving yourself in other people's relationships. Are you also in your mid 20s? It sounds like you enjoy the drama if I'm honest.

It's not the greatest relationship no, but often people need to learn from their own mistakes. It doesn't sound like she's in danger, just not making excellent life choices.

Leave her to it, offer a sympathetic ear if you cam and if not set some boundaries that mean she doesn't lean on you for moaning about it.

I learned the hard way about getting overly involved in peoples relationships i.e. Emma & I fell out for just shy of a year, so I learned my lesson the hard way and don’t get involved anymore. I was 19 & I’m now 24. I absolutely hate the drama and as stated, feeling emotionally exhausted hearing about theirs as a third party.

As said, I’ve already tried to set boundaries in place where we don’t discuss Luke unless it’s positive or about something nice they do together, and I have always said this was in her own best interest as I don’t agree with how Luke behaves (texting other girls, disrespecting Emma) and she always understands. She respects the boundaries for a couple of weeks & they’re always forgotten about again until Emma breaks down in tears over something he did or said.

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notagolddigger · 05/08/2023 03:27

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 05/08/2023 03:16

I would take Emma out for a fun night, before too many drinks were consumed I would say something like ‘Emma you are an amazing person, (list a couple of positive things about her). Luke isn’t treating you well and that breaks my heart, I understand you love him and don’t want to lose him but you know you are worth so much more than this. ‘

Then leave it at that. Don’t spend the night bitching about him. Let her have a bit of time to talk about him when you catch up, then change the subject. Don’t offer advice, just listen because she is your friend. Don’t get into the drama because she won’t leave the relationship until she is ready.

If every time you see her the conversation is only about Luke and changing the subject doesn’t work you can either put up with it, or stop spending time with her. Sometimes our friends are drowning in drama, and the only choices we have are to swim away or go under with them.

Emma & I don’t really drink or have many nights out but have frequent coffee mornings where I try to reassure her of her worth and what she deserves. I never bring Luke into the equation or disrespect him or their relationship. She always reads relationship books and shares pages she resonates with but never actually follows the advice or guidance supplied within the books. Unfortunately, Emma won’t actually listen to me or anyone.

I understand she won’t leave until she’s ready and I will be there to wipe her tears when and if they day comes (they’re discussing mortgages). I never offer advice, instead I actively listen (requote the things she says back) with the idea one day she might listen to how bizarre it all sounds and is.

We discuss Luke 70% of the time & the other 30% could be filled with work, wekeend plans, & other bits but it is predominately always about Luke (good or bad) but I know more about what Luke does than my own boyfriend.

I feel I am going under at the moment & my own boyfriend says I need to take a step back and take some space but I don’t want to lose our friendship again.

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Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 05/08/2023 03:34

I think you need to end the friendship. She is using you as a therapist.

autienotnaughti · 05/08/2023 04:20

A good friend is honest you need to tell her what you think and if it gets too much pull back from the friendship

DivineLillith · 05/08/2023 04:24

I lost a very good friend due to her shitty BF because I voiced how his behaviour was shite. My DH felt the same and he is the last person to comment on others ever as a very neutral sort with very high tolerance of others as he is so chilled out. One of my sisters had an awful BF, I voiced concern. She was married to him for a decade and when she divorced she said go on say I told you so. I just replied why would I.

You cannot save some people from themselves.

Issuefroth · 05/08/2023 04:32

I’m feeling travel sick just reading this. If she turns your constructive advice into a verbal assault against you and otherwise her one note of conversation is this tedious relationship with Luke - in what way is she still a friend to you?

BananaSpanner · 05/08/2023 04:34

Maybe she’s only friends with you because you let her talk about her relationship 70% of the time.
Whats so good about this friendship? It sounds like she only meets up for a therapy session. You are criticising her for putting up with poor behaviour but you are also putting up with her using you for her own needs. Listen to your boyfriend, step back a bit.

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 05/08/2023 04:38

Slightly similar situ with a long time friend who is involved with a partnered guy (virtually married). I've listened to hours of complaints, analysis and deconstruction of "what does he/this mean", told her over and over how she deserves better and that she and the guy's partner are being equally exploited by him, supported her through 'break-ups' only for her to return a few weeks later... For the past 10 bloody years.

It doesn't change. Maybe your friend will grow out of the relationship, maybe her boyfriend will find a "better" option and leave her, but if the toxic relationship is somehow satisfying both of them then it's likely to continue and you have to think about how much you want to be there for your friend. I have distanced myself a fair bit from my friend because I've realised she doesn't actually want advice or help to think through her situation, she just wants another ear to bitch about her guy's partner - who is completely innocent!

Unless you suspect your friend is in a controlling abusive relationship and she needs support from you, I think you need to reconsider how much time and space you hold for this friend.

GCAcademic · 05/08/2023 04:45

I feel I am going under at the moment & my own boyfriend says I need to take a step back and take some space but I don’t want to lose our friendship again.

Honestly, you sound no different in this relationship with your friend than she does in her dysfunctional relationship with her boyfriend. So desperate to hold onto them that you'll both put up with all manner of shit that's detrimental to you.

WilkinsonM · 05/08/2023 04:57

This friendship is 70% about Luke, you've just said that, so what is holding you to her really? Why don't you want to take a step back?

Rainbowqueeen · 05/08/2023 05:18

I’d suggest she does the freedom programme and reads “why does he do that” by Lundy Bancroft. It’s available free online. Then I’d make it clear that you don’t want to hear any more about her relationship. You can say I love you and it hurts me to hear about how badly he is treating you. I can’t do that anymore.

TumbleweedRolling · 05/08/2023 06:34

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 05/08/2023 03:34

I think you need to end the friendship. She is using you as a therapist.

This one here.

Emma is an idiot who stays with a wrong man and a selfish friend who just uses op.

Op, don’t you be a fool too, dump her.

DappledThings · 05/08/2023 06:41

GCAcademic · 05/08/2023 04:45

I feel I am going under at the moment & my own boyfriend says I need to take a step back and take some space but I don’t want to lose our friendship again.

Honestly, you sound no different in this relationship with your friend than she does in her dysfunctional relationship with her boyfriend. So desperate to hold onto them that you'll both put up with all manner of shit that's detrimental to you.

Excellent point.

This friendship isn't good for you any more than her relationship is good girl her. You want Emma to be strong enough to see that and leave but it looks like you need to do the same.

notagolddigger · 05/08/2023 10:06

Somewhereovertherainbowweighapie · 05/08/2023 03:34

I think you need to end the friendship. She is using you as a therapist.

I ended up messaging her other friend who basically expressed she feels the exact same way as I do but shared a bit more information that my friend didn’t disclose to me, and it’s apparent that Luke’s the topic of most of her conversations with anyone and everyone who will listen. I think it’s her way of seeking validation for her own reactions and feelings but doesn’t actually take any of it on the chin when it comes to her boyfriend!

The last thing I want is to end the friendship & both I and her friend agree the only thing we can do is listen and be there to eventually support her when it does come crashing down. Her other friend has suspicions he cheated (he washed the bedsheets midweek while she went away with this friend for the day) & thinks he’s being a bit more erratic than usual so Emma will walk and leave the relationship (which we both agreed she won’t) as Luke seems to be too much of a coward to end things.

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itsmylife7 · 05/08/2023 10:12

Listen to your own boyfriends advice and back off.

You're not going to "fix" your friend OP.

She loves the drama and will be discussing her issues with everyone, not just you!

Pista41 · 05/08/2023 10:15

I’ve been in a couple of situations like this, one also ended up in us not talking for quite some time! It is absolutely maddening to be constantly listening to these issues yet when you give advice it gets thrown back at you.

I would almost say to her next time, Emma, I really think we need to make Luke an off limits topic. You know how i feel about the situation and I love you so it’s impossible to bear, I don’t want it to affect our friendship etc. and then if it still comes up redirect to another topic.

If she then doesn’t want to talk to you so much, you know what your friendship is really about for her.

notagolddigger · 05/08/2023 10:16

WilkinsonM · 05/08/2023 04:57

This friendship is 70% about Luke, you've just said that, so what is holding you to her really? Why don't you want to take a step back?

Our routines typically align together i.e. we go to the same gym at the same time (before work and we start work at the same time), frequently go for coffee at the same place (end up having coffee together), our lunch hours are the same (our offices are beside each other) & we finish work at the same time and go the same route home so carpool together. It’s been our routine the past several months & only ever changes if one of us were away or sick.

I am starting a new job where I start 30 minutes later and finish 30 minutes later in a September so our routines will be very different besides the gym. My lunch hour will also be slightly different but hers is flexible so she may try and accommodate my new lunch hour. I have tried to take a step back in the sense that I spend my weekends with my own boyfriend, and tend to avoid midweek socialising after work (I’m a granny & like to be in bed by 930 and asleep for 1030 latest).

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ManchesterGirl2 · 05/08/2023 10:18

We really really don't need to know about Luke and Emma's bedsheets! This thread is about you, not them, right?

It seems like to be honest you are caught in a pattern hearing and telling about all the drama, and to some extent enjoy that. Which is fine if that's what you want, but if so, don't complain about being emotionally drained.

If you truly want to get away from the drama, you need to change your own behaviour. State your boundaries kindly to her, and then actually enforce them, stop the phone call/ chat or leave the meetup every time she brings the conversation back round to her relationship problems.

Ace56 · 05/08/2023 10:23

What does Emma really bring to your friendship? Does she ever listen to you talk about your life, or help you with your problems? Or is it quickly brought back round to her (and Luke)? Apart from your routines lining up do you actually have a reason to be friends with her?

notagolddigger · 05/08/2023 10:26

ManchesterGirl2 · 05/08/2023 10:18

We really really don't need to know about Luke and Emma's bedsheets! This thread is about you, not them, right?

It seems like to be honest you are caught in a pattern hearing and telling about all the drama, and to some extent enjoy that. Which is fine if that's what you want, but if so, don't complain about being emotionally drained.

If you truly want to get away from the drama, you need to change your own behaviour. State your boundaries kindly to her, and then actually enforce them, stop the phone call/ chat or leave the meetup every time she brings the conversation back round to her relationship problems.

I only mentioned it to illustrate how bad they are together and the absolute notions he does get up to behind her back so people will understand my frustration when the red flags couldn’t even be more red. Absolutely, this post is about me & how I feel emotionally drained from being a constant shoulder to cry on.

I have already stated I don’t enjoy the drama, no one in the right mind would enjoy listening to their best friend cry in & day out over a fella who isn’t even kind.

I have said already about trying to distinguish boundaries but they’re only respected for so long until they’re forgotten about. It’s very hard to get up & walk away when we’re in a car together or at the gym, but I have learned to appropriately ignore the texts re Luke but she’s caught on and usually waits until we’re in person.

I don’t know about you but I couldn’t ever walk away from a friend crying hysterically no matter how much I wanted to, I’d have a guilty consciencefor the rest of my life

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Eudaimonia5 · 05/08/2023 10:26

I think you need to see a therapist to work on your boundaries in friendships. You're way too involved in someone else's relationship. Your posts are ridiculous, you're obsessing over your friend's boyfriend's bedsheets and whether that could mean he's had an affair? Wtf?!

pictoosh · 05/08/2023 10:32

With kindness, you are way too deep into someone else's shit. I'm not blaming you, she fires it at you, but it is clear that it is time for you to extricate yourself from this time wasting drain on your energy. This relationship has nothing to do with you. Why on earth would you want to hear so much about it?

It sounds like your pal is fixated on him, the topic, the drama, the navel gazing. That's her issue. You can't switch her obsession off for her.

Stop being so available.

pictoosh · 05/08/2023 10:33

Eudaimonia5 · 05/08/2023 10:26

I think you need to see a therapist to work on your boundaries in friendships. You're way too involved in someone else's relationship. Your posts are ridiculous, you're obsessing over your friend's boyfriend's bedsheets and whether that could mean he's had an affair? Wtf?!

Agree. Step back.

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