To be annoyed most jobs don’t seem to show salaries

[Wertie]

I’m not looking at high flying ‘negotiate the salary’ jobs. It’s a job were the pay varies from quite entry level to moderate, but it’s really hard to work out how the company is grading it- even when looking at the JD.
It can be £11ph, I’m at £21, but I’ve found one paying £26 before. It’s also a part time one where people tend to take on lots of these small roles and combine them, ï currently work with 5 places regularly and cover more.
It’s just so annoying to waste time and effort to find out they are grading the post reality low!
Looking at other private sector jobs it seems more don’t have a salary than do! It’s keeping me in local authority work because it’s so frustrating

This is maddening! Why do so many jobs omit the salary now? As if we are supposed to choose jobs ‘for love’ and not to pay the bills. A salary range at least would give some idea.

I agree. My job has a relatively large salary range within different organisations, mostly dependent upon size and responsibilities.

Its very frustrating, I don’t bother applying for jobs with no salary guide now.

Yes! As I said, I’m on £21 ph. I was told one the salary was ‘flexible and could be negotiated’. Resolute on that, even when told me my pay.
Interviewed, got it. They have a ‘range’ of £11.95 to 13.95 to negotiate within. Considering it’s London and it is hard to recruit, plus quite skilled it’s not a salary I’d have foreseen! Wasted everyone’s time

Yanbu. The amount of times I've applied for a role with a 'competitive salary' and been given a shockingly low offer. It wastes my time and the interviewers time so I don't know why they do it. I usually don't bother applying for a role without a range now.

YANBU. It’s so frustrating. I believe some states in the US have made it a legal requirement to show the salary in a job advert.

I stopped applying for jobs that do this. Solicitors are one of the worst because they want to offer you the least they can get away with, with the promise of a raise once you've been there a certain length of time and then when you get your foot in the door realise everyone is on different salaries and doing the same job and low and behold you never get the promised raise.

Talking from experience.

It is SO annoying. The job adverts in my industry are so waffly-worded, none of them actually say what you'd be doing, it's all inferred. I've often no idea whether it's an entry-level position or something more suited to me, with 20 years' experience.

Completely agree! You have to invest time and energy only to find that the salary is so crap you'd never have bothered in the first place.

I hate the phrase about negotiating the salary. Clearly the employer has a range. Like a PP says, if they are looking for a person around the £11-13ph range, and you are getting paid £21ph and much more senior, it's a complete waste of both parties time.

I think it should be illegal to advertise a job without a) the hours/working pattern and b) the salary

Oh yes this too! My working pattern is not ‘always available but part time’ as so many want. One offered a contract where I would take work, random times and not even weekly, but offered no guarantees of work. I mean who the fuck is going to keep their week clear for the sake of an average of about 10 hours per week??

I simply don't apply for jobs that are upfront about being disorganised, disrespectful and putting low value on their staff.

Been there, done with that.

If you can't show me the respect of a basic gist of how much I'm coming home with per month, then no deal. Same with any mucking around for interviews, or a general vibe of bad behaviour or treatment.

The job isn't the prize, I am!

Just contact them and ask. I do. Have an informal chat about the job/your experience and ask what the pay range scale is- no point in wasting yours/their time applying when its £11ph. Were all working for the money at the end of the day, not the love of the job! 🤷🏻‍♀️

I wouldn’t even consider applying for a job that doesn’t advertise salary. There can be no good and fair reason for a company to withhold that info so I wouldn’t want to work for them.

It's infuriating. I've found jobs listed with no salary, no hours, just part time/full-time/weekends available.(need childcare so vague idea of hours needed upfront would be helpful) even a few that have no work address! So you don't even know what part of the city you would be working in! All very vague. You have to apply for them to find out the basic of facts.

I also think companies above a certain size should be obligated to publish their parental (maternity, paternity, adoption, etc) leave & pay policies. E.g. if you are a company required to comply with gender pay gap reporting, you also have to publish certain minimum details about family related leave on your website. I think getting some transparency would encourage companies to do better to compete for the best candidates and this is relevant for a lot of people at one time or another.

I fully agree.

If I’m honest I didn’t realise the impact of stuff like this until I had children. Maybe that’s the idea…

I also hate it when you filter by part time and that can mean anything from "zero-hours, we'll give you what we fancy" to "8.30am-6pm 4 days a week" which is 36 hours a week. I may as well widen the search to 9-5 FT to get a better salary.

I once had an interview when DS was 1 for a job an hour away. They tried to tell me a 3pm Friday finish made it part-time.

It's infuriating. My workplace are currently looking for someone to replace a colleague who left months ago (for a better paid job) and have had 4 people interview and turn down the job because of the pay. It isn't negotiable (they're trying to standardise pay across sites and roles), so just put it on the bloody advert and save us all the hassle!

Competitive salary in my experience usually means as low as we can get away with. I have 20+ years experience in my role and I would be looking at about £30k. Entry level is about £20k and it's often not advertised which type of level job it is (although you can usually read between the lines if you know what to look for!) I wouldn't even look at jobs with no salary advertised. I'm not wasting my time filling out an application form for a job where I don't know how much I'll be paid.

Fully agree that it should be a legal requirement to show the salary (along with a link to information on how placement on the salary scale will be determined if applicable). I work in recruitment and I hate seeing ads like that, to me, it signifies they are hoping to get someone who is willing to work for the bare minimum they can get away with paying. I wouldn’t apply for a post that didn’t confirm the salary up front by choice

It’s one thing to say ‘don’t apply’, but it’s rather narrowing the options. Everyone seems to be at it!

Competitive means don’t bother applying. Others only post via a recruitment agency so you have to sign up with them to get any chance of the job then be subject to negotiations if they want to keep you.

I don't understand how it is allowed. Imagine if our CVs or application forms were so vague. In my experience of hiring, if you're at the stage of advertising a job then you've got internal sign off on a specified budget for recruiting.
I don't apply if it isn't stated, not only because it could be a complete waste of time but it implies there's likely to be a lot of inequality between wages within the company for the same role.

Competitive = Low.