To think it’s ironic that Heathrow will be inside ULEZ

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Considering how much the airplanes pollute…

Depends on the engines etc.

It's a £25 holiday tax from Khan.

The only people driving into Heathrow in older cars will be holiday makers.

Plus probably with the fact that the holidaymakers are unused to the zone, plus busy catching buses and rushing around etc they may forget about paying the tax, making the whole thing a nice little distraction scam.

They will probably get more fines from cars entering Heathrow than from the rest of London combined.

It already costs £5 to enter the Heathrow zone to drop people off, so that's a minimum of £17.50 on two different website that you need to remember to pay before jetting off on holiday!

Oh, well, I'm sure an extra £22.50 won't make much of a dent in the finances of people already paying for flights, accommodation, airport parking, hire cars, food, drinks, clothes and the odd bit of tut from a market stall.

But I'm sure there will be multiple sadface articles where people complain of being charged and it ruining their holiday/pricing them out of an entirely discretionary spend in the first place.

Why is it his sole responsibility when the governments conditions on adding extra funding due to the crash in revenues through covid was that he had to find a way to guarantee an additional income of £500m to £1billion from 2023? They even had to agree to his proposals before they handed tfl anything.

Aeroplanes aren't putting lung-hostile particulates into London in the same was as cars (NO and PM2.5)

Remember, ULEZ isn't for wider climate change reasons. It's so that no-one else dies like Ella Kissi-Debrah

Ella Kissi-Debrah death: Family 'didn't know about toxic air' - BBC News

OTOH, there's probably a business idea for new secure carparking and shuttle bus from just outside the zone.

This is not news to people who live in the Uxbridge/South Ruislip constituency and it one of the reason they're so against it

Funny he's not doing anything about it. The biggest polluter, for air quality and noise gets off free.

Tax the planes. Tax airplane fuel the same way you tax the residents of London.

But I doubt he will.

Is it within his jurisdiction to do so?

Heathrow is in London, Heathrow is a polluter, so...

Is he even trying?

And even if it were, would the government have approved it as a condition of funding - conditions that they dictated had to be implemented in the first place?

Have a look at where the London Borough of Hillingdon is on a map
We've got the M25 just outside the west border, the M4 on the south, the A40 running through the middle, Northolt Airport which has both military and domestic air traffic AND Heathrow Airport

Yet Khan still reckons that penalising people who can't afford a newer car will improve air quality...
He's essentially repainted a couple of bus routes to make his "Superloop" but that doesn't help people who don't live on a tube or train line.

It's ironic that the so called king of klean air is also trying to remove travel cards and make trains more expensive for families trying to access the capital.

No more than the M60 being exempt from the as-yet-not-in-place CAZ scheme.

Scheme meaning a way of making money.

I'm confused by ULEZ, DH checked his rally car that does 25mpg-ish on the website (tax is about £250 a year) and yet it said we were not eligible for the charge and it even thanked us for our low emitting car? How much of a gas guzzler must it be to be eligible for the charge?

It's ironic that people won't acknowledge that this was on instruction of Government as a condition of additional funding following the crashing revenues due to Government decisions to lockdown during Covid.

I thought he was asking TfL to remove paper travel cards, because you now get the same price on Oyster or via the price cap on contactless. So it's bit of cardboard, not the price point, that's going. The only group likely to have a problem with this are DC over 11 (who therefore have to pay for the Tube) but who don't yet have a debit/other contactless card. The "Young Visitor" Oyster should cover it, but lack of Tube ticket offices make it awkward except at a few main railway stations

I hope the longer-period travel passes (which have a useful discount) are remaining (you can have them loaded on to an Oyster)

We can't get oyster where I am.

@SquirmOfEels no it means having to pay an additional fare, currently I pay a fixed price for my journey into London and any travel across zone 1-6, I understand that my ticket will now only get me to London and then I will have to pay TfL additionally to do my journey across London. It was portrayed as being unfair that Londoners are essentially subsidising out-of-towners London internal travel.

Exactly and I’m furious that duplicitous prick Starmer didn’t make this clear. Khan was given zero options. Grant Shapps forced this.

Our DCs ability to breathe is more important than cars.

As a Londoner who developed asthma (also others in my family) due to the pollution on our busy road, something urgently needs to be done about air pollution in London. I don't agree with the level of charges however but presumably it needs to be enough of a deterrent to make folk switch to cleaner vehicles/use public transport. I also think more financial help needs to be looked at to help people trade-in their gas guzzlers for cleaner alternatives. I don't think we can delay this anymore.

The problem is you're trying to make sense of something that makes zero sense.

Take this example.

A banker on a £5 million salary drives a 5.0 litre 2016 petrol compliant Bentley round London all year. Tax zero.

A student drives a 1.4 no compliant diesel Fiesta into Heathrow to drop off and collect their mum off for a flight, only entering the zone twice in a whole year they pay £25 Khan holiday tax.

The Bentley generates god knows how much more emissions of the two brief Fiesta trips into the zone, yet gets taxed zero.

Don't try and look at it in terms of making sense because it just doesn't.

@GasPanic you'd think it would be pretty simple to work out what cars emit the most to appropriately penalise, how bizarre.

That's not a very good comparison though is it?

Like for like would be 2x trips by Bentley v 2x trips by Fiesta, or unlimited trips by Bentley v unlimited trips by Bentley, also looking at the level of lung-hostile emissions

Like eating unlimited expensive dragon fruit is more calories than two cheap mars bars. But unlimited dragon fruit v unlimited Mars bars, or 2 dragon fruit v 2 Mars bars gives you quite a different picture