To be sick of dour, po-faced, humourless idealogues?

[ForestGoblin]

Was it always like this? You go to a hen do or whatever and someone starts ranting about Their Beliefs (JK Rowling/ climate change/ Brexit/ whatever) and even if you happen to agree with on the substance them it feels like a massive lecturey downer when all you want is some light socialising. It's so rude to expect people to just sit under a mudslide of your views. No one thinks the same on every single "issue of the day" so are we all to just live in purist isolation?

I don't care what you think, Hayley! You sulky old bruiser with your "witty "political t-shirts and flat your mum bought for you at 40 and your complete abstraction from the real world.

And half the time their views change on a dime anyway and they can't remember what they thought last week but they sure as heck think the opposite now with sullen conviction.

Yes. Yes she does.

You sound as though you need a nice lie down in a dark room.

I don’t know, the people I know who are the worst for this never wear slogan stuff but but have been known to actually cry when people don’t agree with them… where as the one or 2 slogan wearing people I’ve met seemed very normal!

HAHAHAHA!!! 😂😂😂

Forget Hayley -- your title sounds suspiciously as if you'd be fine with ideologues as long as they weren't 'dour, po-faced and humourless'.

And you know what that gets you? Boris 'Funny Hair and Hilarious Bumbling Routine' Johnson as PM. A man you wouldn't hire to be a children's entertainer at low-budget village Fun Day.

I know Hayley !

Hen do's are so much better when women stick to sucking cream off nobs and talking about cheeky Proseccos.

It's not a discussion though, it's more like a conversation with a hand dryer - they make a load of noise and don't stop to listen to your viewpoint.

Stick your Fuck the Tories necklace up yr jumper because I don't want to think about all this stuff CONSTANTLY

I can totally understand not wanting to be lectured on a night out, but I think it's a bit odd to be pissed off with someone for wearing a necklace. They're not doing it 'at' you. Unless you're a Tory voter and Hayley knows this in which case, yeah she's probably having a dig 🤣

Op my good friend friends have often suffocated me under the mud slide of theirs views.

@ShimmyingThroughTheChaos

Not everyone feels in crisis though.

They are just looking for a new religion.

Lady of the canyon, interesting interlude! I've been searching up Haydon kettles 😂.

What drives me absolutely mad is the guardian /daily mail devide.

Just change the subject.

I have never been on a Hen Do and discussed J K Rowling, or politics or religion. Topics have been ‘what’s the biggest Willy you have ever seen, what’s the smallest Willy you’ve ever seen, what are you wearing to the wedding, shall we switch from G&T’s to Rose, plans to lose half a stone before the wedding. I would loathe a night out with someone like you have mentioned, but very few females in my social circle, whether that be work colleagues, uni pals or school Mums are like this.

I’ve got a Bosch which has four temperature settings, it’s useful for tisanes versus leaf tea,,or miso packets. It’s isn’t wifi though, that would be pointless when you have to stand next to it to fill it up ( and pour it out , I suppose).

I have no opinion about Brexit, too long ago ( ha) and I could say a few words about climate change as I sit here in my fleece in JULY.

@ForestGoblin Had you thought about making some new friends? Just a thought...

😂😂😂

YANBU

the ‘fuck the Tories’ / “Brexit disaster”/ “rainbow supporter”/“climate disaster” crews are totally devoid of any sense of humour

It’s like having some stupid silly fun is beneath them and trivialises ‘all the problems in the world ‘

I find social justice warriors pretty tedious people in general and prefer to avoid

I actually know TWO Hayleys so if you think you recognise her... It might be one of them 😀

I don't think I know anyone likely to vote Tory but that's not the point, it's the self satisfaction and throat jamming.

I only really see this stuff on mn. All the time.

But people we socialise with just don’t really go there with the social warrior stuff

This is the first time in years MN has had me laughing out loud 😂

I quite enjoy a discussion about something important but not all night and deffo don't want to listen to a high velocity rant.
I do have one mate like this, they are quite depressed about various bigger issues and I feel sorry for them but they just can't talk about anything else, or have a laugh and what they say often sounds like an attack.

I agree OP there is a time and a place for certain conversation. I think if I knew someone like that and they invited me to a hen do, I'd be quickly politely declining.

People in general have become more divided politically.

Yes I've got a Hayley, very fond of her but she's bloody exhausting to be around

It's the way it's done and I know what the OP is getting at (and btw I love the way you write, OP).

I love a good political row as much as the next person and I don't want to make polite chit-chat but there's definitely a skill in knowing when a conveyer belt of your opinions is too much for other people

I have one particular friend at the moment who literally only talks to me about one topic: the ongoing trans wars and by God is it oppressive.

It's an interesting, important and nuanced topic but I don't want every single conversation I have, whether its about my daughter's school or the traffic lights at the end of the road, to be brought back to this with sinking inevitability.

It's also just about learning basic manners and empathy. A conversation should involve a bit of back and forth as opposed to a tennis match of opinions.