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To think that people who use parent and child spaces without children are selfish *****

535 replies

hotcheeto · 25/07/2023 08:19

Fill in the starred swear word as applicable.

I've only started truly noticing how many idiots do this since I had my baby 4 months ago. I can't believe how many people I've seen do it. And yes I always call them out and have had some pretty disturbing abuse thrown back.

I have also always reported to the shop staff to be told it isn't illegal and there's nothing they can do bar having a parking attendant out constantly which isn't possible (I know this isn't the shop staff's fault).

No disabled spaces? Fair enough, crack on. But this isn't the case 99% of the time. People use them because they are close to the entrance. I would rather the spaces be far away from the entrance with a small trolley park nearby with car seat/child seat trolleys.

Yesterday I purposefully parked straight down the middle of two normal spaces because I didn't want to risk having to reverse out just to get my baby's car seat back in. As I was walking in I witnessed 3 separate very able bodied people walk back to their cars without children.

Just really pees me off 😒

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elderflowerandpomelo · 25/07/2023 08:53

The answer to this, surely, is to put the P and C spaces at the far end of the car park. People w littles in buggies will use them, but lazy folk will not.

MayThe4th · 25/07/2023 08:53

Brunilde · 25/07/2023 08:35

It's funny on the bus threads where people complain about prams in the disabled space the answer is always that disabled people campaigned for those and if parents want space they should do the same. Which I agree with.

But why when parents are provided with something which really does make life easier with car seats are they told all these disabled people who don't get a blue badge automatically trump them. Can't have it both ways.

Having a baby is a choice. Being disabled is not. Hth.

BettyBoopy · 25/07/2023 08:54

Morph22010 · 25/07/2023 08:24

How did you know they weren’t disabled from looking at them?

🙄

MyrrAgain · 25/07/2023 08:54

Goneroundthetwist · 25/07/2023 08:52

And nor does yours trump theirs.

But it does - read the point of this thread
THE SPACE IS FOR PARENTS AND YOUNG CHILDREN..... Is that too hard to think about. That's a space for my need.

Hufflepods · 25/07/2023 08:54

@Backtothe90splease YANBU OP but weirdly enough, on a website designed for parents, to support and assist parents, you'll get told that you're selfish, disabilist, lazy and entitled for wanting to use something designed to support and assist parents

It's weird, it's a parenting website literally centred around parenting but anything to make that marginally less difficult and so many posters start crying out about how entitled you are.

Wheresmyrobe · 25/07/2023 08:55

YABU

A) You assume to know who is and isn't disabled and think that a person wearing a suit means they cannot possibly have a disability.
B) You think it's fine to park across the middle of two parking spaces.

Just park in the far corner of the car park that's always empty. Your double parking is worse than someone taking a P&C space.

tabulahrasa · 25/07/2023 08:55

I’m sitting thinking about all the places I go regularly where I know where the parent and child parking is...

They’re not bigger spaces, they’re regular sized ones

EarringsandLipstick · 25/07/2023 08:55

Parking in a P&C space near the store entrance isn’t necessary

As has been pointed out already, there are many reasons why they are better near the entrance.

If you've a few DC, it's a lot easier, especially if some are at the toddler stage.

It's also safer.

Why shouldn't they be near the entrance? It's about making shopping trips easier for parents and children (who need it).

Hufflepods · 25/07/2023 08:55

MayThe4th · 25/07/2023 08:53

Having a baby is a choice. Being disabled is not. Hth.

Irrelevant, there are disabled parking bays too.

hotcheeto · 25/07/2023 08:55

HerMammy · 25/07/2023 08:40

Never understand the entitlement for P&C spaces, how do you manage in places that don't have them? They're a convenience if available, not something to make a fuss about.
Park in an empty area of carpark and push your poppet in their pram to the store.
I know MN aren't fond of 'in my day' comments, but I had my kids in the 90s and managed to convey said children out of cars to shops without special spaces.

Cars are a lot bigger now than in the 90s imo. I don't have a massive car but it's a 'mom' car and reasonably sized.
It's the car seat space that is the problem. Also you can't do the weekly shop in the basket of a pram...

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Twyford · 25/07/2023 08:56

But I assume a majority of people with disabilities that require a closer spot to the entrance would have a blue badge.

You need to educate yourself about the requirements and process for getting a blue badge before you make assumptions.

HauntedPencil · 25/07/2023 08:56

Parking in between 2 spaces is equally cunty and also can get you a ticket in some places - unless you have a stupidly large car or are wrestling out a baby giraffe is it really necessary?

Chowtime · 25/07/2023 08:56

TBH I’ve never understood parent and child spaces. Most if not all times it’s perfectly possible to get a child seat or a child out in a normal space.

No, it's not. Thats why shops provide parent and child spaces.

Sirzy · 25/07/2023 08:56

Ahh all the ablist idiots are out in force this morning!

having a baby is in no way comparable to being disabled or being the parent to a disabled child by the way.

Morph22010 · 25/07/2023 08:56

KnickerlessParsons · 25/07/2023 08:35

YABU. We all managed perfectly fine before P&C spaces were invented.

Although in those there were less cars the size of tractors that park next to you so you could get in and out easily in a normal space

EarringsandLipstick · 25/07/2023 08:57

tabulahrasa · 25/07/2023 08:55

I’m sitting thinking about all the places I go regularly where I know where the parent and child parking is...

They’re not bigger spaces, they’re regular sized ones

I've never seen a regular P&C space. Ever.

They are usually a space, with double lines around the edge, making the total space larger.

That's the case in Ireland, at least.

GoldDuster · 25/07/2023 08:57

Cars have got bigger and bigger over the past two or three decades. Parking spaces haven't. Wider courtesy spaces are going to be tempting for lots of people, for various reasons.

Just like you're admonishing the people in the parent spaces that "shouldn't be allowed", there will be people looking at your car parked straddling two spaces and rolling their eyes at your parking choices.

It's a weird world and we all have to live in it, we all do things that others find ludicrous and we all tell ourselves a story that backs our choices.

Hufflepods · 25/07/2023 08:57

tabulahrasa · 25/07/2023 08:55

I’m sitting thinking about all the places I go regularly where I know where the parent and child parking is...

They’re not bigger spaces, they’re regular sized ones

The spaces are the the same size but they have a crosshatched extra space between them which is literally designed so you can open the doors fully regardless of whether there is a car parked in the adjacent bay.

To think that people who use parent and child spaces without children are selfish *****
Twyford · 25/07/2023 08:58

Cars are a lot bigger now than in the 90s imo.

No they aren't, due to the fact that the roads aren't any wider. Some people choose to buy cars that are much bigger than they need, however.

Jongleterre · 25/07/2023 08:58

Perhaps you'd feel better armed with a pack of these?

slightlydisturbed.co.uk/products/you-park-like-a-cunt-sticker-pack/

WeWereInParis · 25/07/2023 08:58

tabulahrasa · 25/07/2023 08:55

I’m sitting thinking about all the places I go regularly where I know where the parent and child parking is...

They’re not bigger spaces, they’re regular sized ones

All the p&c spaces I can think of are normal sized but have additional space between the spaces. Like a hatched area that means prams can fit through, doors can be fully opened etc.

Sirzy · 25/07/2023 08:58

Chowtime · 25/07/2023 08:56

TBH I’ve never understood parent and child spaces. Most if not all times it’s perfectly possible to get a child seat or a child out in a normal space.

No, it's not. Thats why shops provide parent and child spaces.

No they provide them as a gimmick to encourage families to spend more more at them!

people tend to manage perfectly fine at the other places that don’t have them!

pinkyredrose · 25/07/2023 08:58

Online shopping was invented for a reason.

Goneroundthetwist · 25/07/2023 08:58

Sirzy · 25/07/2023 08:56

Ahh all the ablist idiots are out in force this morning!

having a baby is in no way comparable to being disabled or being the parent to a disabled child by the way.

How true, the fight to get the high rate DLA and blue badge far outweighs the difficulty in walking an extra 100 meters with a baby in a car seat…

MayThe4th · 25/07/2023 08:59

MyrrAgain · 25/07/2023 08:51

And so what if they have "additional needs"? Parents of young children also have additional needs and need to get children safely in and out the car with buggies, car seats etc.
If you don't have a blue badge then you don't trump the reason the parking space is there in the first place - for young children!
Your need does not trump mine

You’re wrong. Legally disabled drivers trump drivers with children.

And it’s an absolute insult to people with disabilities to describe choosing to have a baby as being someone with “additional needs.”

I see the ablism on this thread is rife already.

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