Is it really that hard.....? 🤔

[StillGotBabyBrain]

My family is vegan, not a massive deal.

When the school has events, no vegan option, so everyone gets a bbq or food catered and we don't. Not even a dairy free alternative for hot drinks! (Primary school, high school is better).

When they go for sleepovers I get worried parents asking me what should they do, can I provide food and drinks for them...

Pubs and restaurants barely cater for adults let alone add options for the kids menu.

Went to a choir meeting the other week, nothing I could eat from the food included in my ticket price.

Am I being unreasonable thinking it's really not that difficult to provide bread and houmous or vegetable dishes? They're suitable for everyone, so isn't a waste of food! Blows my mind.

Agree with PP that you need to lower your expectations (doesn’t mean excuse the rudeness on this thread though).

I’m dairy-free, gluten-free and sugar-free and it’s an utter ball ache when coffee shops don’t have non-dairy milk or a bakery has no gluten free bread, but even I admit that this is most definitely a first world problem.

Sorry, but this.
My DP's sister and her family are vegan, and we literally don't want to host a family party because of it.
When my family are coming over, some are vegetarian, but that's quite easy to cater for. Vegan is just ridiculous unless you're in that mindset full time.
It's so entitled to expect the host to go to so much effort just for you.

My children do eat a well balanced diet and I have a problem with you forcing your children to eat dead animals and their bodily secretions and chicken ovulation.

Did you ever choose clothes or toys for your kids, did you choose their school, what clubs you would pay for them to attend? Being a parent is about making choices for our kids and doing what we think is best. Just because you're uneducated on veganism, doesn't mean you can judge me on it.

The whole thing of forcing dietary choices on kids is silly. As parents we have to feed them something, and that something will generally be in line with what the family prefers. My babies and toddlers weren't able to make a choice.

You're getting ridiculous now OP. Judging the rest of us for daring to have our own opinions. Can I point out what we're not the minority here?

I hate this.

Why should someone with an actual dietary requirement (such as NEEDING gluten free etc) have to also have vegan?

A dietary requirement is very different to a lifestyle choice. It's unfair to force that on them. I fact, you will find that vegan is catered for much more widely than gluten free

Cancer effects 1 in 2 people. Half of us will get cancer. Don't supply anecdotal information when there is evidence that plantbased can reverse disease.

Does that mean we ignore all minorities.

Surely that's just bread touching bread though? I don't see the issue. I hate hate hate egg sandwiches (and mildly allergic to eggs) but I'd still eat a sandwich that was next to an egg sandwich.

Some maybe. Plant based would put my kid in hospital as it's too high fibre. They need to be on a low residue diet. Diets in general aren't great and people do eat too much meat and animal product. I'm virtually vegetarian, often make vegan choices, but aren't anything hard and fast.

It's anecdotal what I shared but I do find it interesting, and it gives me food for thought, when I've observed some of the supposedly healthiest living people I know come down with such issues at what seems to be a very skewed rate. Of course, it proves nothing and can be coincidental. It does make me go hmmm though. I suspect it's an unusually high rate of death among friends at my age anyway.

This!! This is a real problem. A problem when you want to eat out and one that we struggle with. So much vegan food everywhere but trying to get gluten free is so hard.
My daughter doesn't want vegan food, she wants gluten free, but so many places panda to the vegan stuff they forget some have medical needs for their diet needs.
I found 1, just 1 gluten free place in St Ives, lost count of the amount of vegan places.

Lots of marg, like you day you'd use, are vegan friendly. So not that hard. Peanuts are allowed in our school as there is no peanut allergies....

It's just excuses when it's really simple.

@Iolani do we ignore all minorites? No. But do I change my life in order to bend over backwards for said minorites? Also no.

And this evidence has been around for a very long time.
My mother working in hospitals in the 50s was always told
by doctors not to eat too much meat ( Irish big meat eater ). The doctors then knew the science and were eating more plant based.
She was warned of high cancer and heart disease rates amongst meat eaters.
She was told certain foods have been scientifically proved to reduce tumours and the chance of illness generally. Now it’s all there, online, for everyone to research.

Heres one headline, but they’re not that difficult to find. There are so many.

You are. And I'm not depriving my children. I make sure they're good. Just a shame that some people have such a shitty attitude that they would leave them out as a matter of principle based on largely, misinformation.

That's just not vegan.... I do not know any vegans who do that, and I know a lot of vegans.

Margarine, fake meat, long shelf life bread… so basically plastic and emulsifiers with a few carbs. 🤮
Please don’t feed children these things.

You’re depriving your children socially, culturally and nutritionally.

As I said it’s exceptionally cruel and tantamount to neglect because you’re not doing what’s in their best interests, you’re just trying to make a shitty point.

Ugh I would hate for my kids to be friend with yours. Vegan parents who think their lifestyle choice is far superior than anyone else's and actually get offended by others asking how to accommodate their children.

IMHO veganism is a legitimised eating disorder. The majority of strict vegans I know have MH problems, a history of other EDs or some kind of neurodiversity that leads them to making extremely restrictive choices regarding their diet. They thrive on having rules about what's "acceptable" or "not acceptable" plus the extra attention (good, bad or neutral) that it usually brings.

Just like religion, no child is born vegan. It's a lifestyle choice that they are forced to adopt because of extreme views of their parents and each kid should also have a right to re-evaluate this once they are old enough.

Read the science @FlowersInTheSky
Its just not on your side these days
We have moved on, we have learnt more.
Youre quite simply wrong on every level!

Like religious believers, vegans are a minority by choice. We're not talking about genetic variation like skin colour or sexual orientation, or some kind of disability.

Of course you should be free to choose your diet. But if you choose a restrictive diet that differs markedly from around 99% of the population, you should expect to put up with occasional inconveniences. For example, when wanting to eat at mixed group events, you should take your own food.

Complaining about this just confirms that you expect your choice to qualify you for a specially entitled status, above the "ordinary folk".

Why should the whole world have to adapt because of a lifestyle choice you have made? People with allergies often take their own pack up, do that.

And does the science say alienating your children is good for you? Oh no wait, it doesn’t!

But they’re your kids. You want to make them social outcasts that nobody wants to be around and for them to have a long lonely life unable to socialise properly, go right ahead.

I am not vegan and eat meat a few times a week, just chicken. And I like desserts and dairy.

I generally admire vegetarians and vegans. I think they are helping the planet overall (if they don’t own pets). I kind of envy their resolve and think they are doing the right thing. I wish I could stop eating dead animals and dairy etc. I don’t have enough willpower.

I cater for vegans but probably not brilliantly as I have average cooking skills and don’t want to serve proceeded Linda M crap.

Unfortunately a small number of vegans like the OP gets the whole group a bad name. Insisting making vegan food is easy. When it simply isn’t for those of us not doing it regularly and having to investigate what is and isn’t actually vegan. There is a stubborn arrogance emanating from the OP that is not doing her cause any good. But she of course doesn’t represent all vegans.

I actually vehemently disagree with forcing veganism on children. Despite what all vegans say, it is NOT an appropriate, well rounded or nutritious diet for children. Never has been, never will be.