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To think we have despicable, inhumane people running this country

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Clafoutie · 24/07/2023 20:36

The Home Secretary, one of the most powerful people in the country, is found to have broken the law by withholding £3 a WEEK to desperate people, including pregnant women and small children. How anyone can consider voting these monsters in again is just beyond my understanding.

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Livinglacheetosloca · 25/07/2023 13:16

Ministers take a lot of shit about these things but how about holding civil servants to account too, after all they are the ones that provide the data, the ideas and implementation of these schemes...

LastTrainEast · 25/07/2023 16:02

These legal decisions are often misunderstood.

It doesn't mean that anyone was deliberately committing a crime though the media like to present it that way to the hard-of-thinking.

It means that the latest interpretation of the law or several overlapping laws now leads them to that conclusion.

The OP probably thought it meant she sneaked in and took their money out of the tin.

LastTrainEast · 25/07/2023 16:12

I see Brexit is being blamed for the boats because before we could simply send them all back to France.

I don't recall that happening back then (because it's based on another misunderstanding) but if it did work is that not ALSO cruel?

Imagine advocating sending them to France where they were brutally tortured to the point they had no choice but to risk their lives in those boats

Some people are so evil it takes your breath away.

Still to cope with the ongoing flood we're going to have to make it compulsary to take immigrants into your house, but it will lead to so much joy I wonder that we didn't do it before.

Of course all the pro refugee posters already have one or two in their homes or they wouldn't have the nerve to put down people who want them sent away.

Would you.

LlynTegid · 25/07/2023 16:35

Agree that I did not think anyone could be a worse Home Secretary than Priti Patel but have been proved wrong.

The government since 2019 have included several people who should face criminal charges.

Livinglacheetosloca · 25/07/2023 16:39

And what about the civil servants behind the decisions?

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2023 19:19

Livinglacheetosloca · 25/07/2023 16:39

And what about the civil servants behind the decisions?

What about them ?

AnneElliott23 · 25/07/2023 19:25

They are utter monsters, all of them. I run out of words bad enough for them. Though you do know "Buddhist" Swella is tipped to be a future Tory leader?

HorseyMel · 25/07/2023 19:27

Just a general comment - it has always been thus and forever will be thus.

Why is this thus? What is the reason for this thusness?
It is thus. Thus it has always been and ever thus should it have ever been thus.

JadeClade · 25/07/2023 19:29

Catusrusty · 24/07/2023 21:22

Well its easy to criticise when you are not doing the job. No doubt there is massive pressure to try and keep the costs of housing and feeding asylum seekers as low as possible. They aren't at the point of having their cases determined and haven't in the past contributed to the economy but they are extracting money from it and the books have to be balanced. I'm not arguing that money should not be spent on it, but I'm old enough to know that resources have to come from somewhere.

Also lets not forget that many Brexiteers were easily convinced to vote for what has since been called a collective act of self harm. Many of those voters were convinced by a poster from UKIP showing a queue of brown people waiting to enter the UK. That's how entrenched their antipathy towards migrants is. Those people are, like it or not, are voters with just as much say as anyone else. They would not be sympathetic to vast tranches of cash being spent on asylum seekers and their opinions do count. Their votes count and their votes have to be won.

I doubt Suella is currently sat at home rubbing her hands together, whilst cackling that she has snatched a bag of apples away from a migrant family today. Disagree with the policies by all means, but the hyperbole and use of words like evil just seem so childish. There will have been reasoning behind the decision made.

If I was a politician, I would like to see a very different cultural, economic and political landscape to what we currently have. However I am not a politician and could never be one, I am too thin skinned, too flawed and I would find some of decisions I would no doubt have to make deeply unpalatable. I could not dance to a specific tune to win specific votes. I'm not a people person, I could not glad hand and kiss babies. I could not and would not want to do Suella's job. So I may disagree with her, but I will acknowledge that I've never walked a mile in her shoes and she's probably a damn sight tougher than I am and has to make much tougher decisions than I do.

Internet forums are so binary, but politics is deeply nuanced. If you think you could dance between the raindrops and get to the front benches and hold down a cabinet job without an occasional dance with the devil (no matter what colour your flag is) you are naive indeed.

we are talking about nutrition for babies and children.

How many babies and children do you know who have contributed to the economy?

Do we wait for babies and children to have contributed to the economy before we feed them?

JadeClade · 25/07/2023 19:32

LastTrainEast · 25/07/2023 16:12

I see Brexit is being blamed for the boats because before we could simply send them all back to France.

I don't recall that happening back then (because it's based on another misunderstanding) but if it did work is that not ALSO cruel?

Imagine advocating sending them to France where they were brutally tortured to the point they had no choice but to risk their lives in those boats

Some people are so evil it takes your breath away.

Still to cope with the ongoing flood we're going to have to make it compulsary to take immigrants into your house, but it will lead to so much joy I wonder that we didn't do it before.

Of course all the pro refugee posters already have one or two in their homes or they wouldn't have the nerve to put down people who want them sent away.

Would you.

I don't really understand your post, but a lot of people to take in refugees.

If anyone would like to help, try contacting "Refugees at Home"

https://refugeesathome.org/

Homepage - Refugees at Home

Homepage - Refugees at Home

https://refugeesathome.org

Howpo · 25/07/2023 19:55

LastTrainEast · 25/07/2023 16:12

I see Brexit is being blamed for the boats because before we could simply send them all back to France.

I don't recall that happening back then (because it's based on another misunderstanding) but if it did work is that not ALSO cruel?

Imagine advocating sending them to France where they were brutally tortured to the point they had no choice but to risk their lives in those boats

Some people are so evil it takes your breath away.

Still to cope with the ongoing flood we're going to have to make it compulsary to take immigrants into your house, but it will lead to so much joy I wonder that we didn't do it before.

Of course all the pro refugee posters already have one or two in their homes or they wouldn't have the nerve to put down people who want them sent away.

Would you.

Err you didn't recall them being sent back because they simply weren't crossing in boats where they? numbers crossing channel in 2019 i believe was around 6.

the Dublin Convention allowed the UK to send back refugees who had registered in another country, i believe we ve sent back many 1000s more than we have sent to its replacement plan... Rwanda.

btw i'm not pro economic refugee but the Rwanda plan wont work, pointless supporting it, same with a barges, been tried elsewhere.

IdealisticCynic · 25/07/2023 20:03

Livinglacheetosloca · 25/07/2023 16:39

And what about the civil servants behind the decisions?

Civil servants don’t make decisions!

SusiePevensie · 25/07/2023 20:05

Ah, but they know what a woman is - someone to hurt.

LlynTegid · 25/07/2023 20:19

On the matter of civil servants, how many senior ones have left after being treated like dirt. The 'blob' as Dominic Cummings calls them?

guzzleandstuff · 25/07/2023 20:21

@Catusrusty - a wise post. But people prefer to virtue signal and blame - much more fun.

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Clafoutie · 25/07/2023 21:31

guzzleandstuff · 25/07/2023 20:21

@Catusrusty - a wise post. But people prefer to virtue signal and blame - much more fun.

I am sorry that you think I am virtue signalling and blaming when, in my view, I was just upset to read that people are being treated this way.

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Clafoutie · 25/07/2023 21:36

LastTrainEast · 25/07/2023 16:02

These legal decisions are often misunderstood.

It doesn't mean that anyone was deliberately committing a crime though the media like to present it that way to the hard-of-thinking.

It means that the latest interpretation of the law or several overlapping laws now leads them to that conclusion.

The OP probably thought it meant she sneaked in and took their money out of the tin.

Ah, well, I stand corrected (!). Obviously hard-of-thinking as you say. No, I didn’t think it was case is someone sneaking money from a tin. I read the story in a reputable news source, and simply felt sad that this was happening.

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Clafoutie · 25/07/2023 21:47

Frabbits · 25/07/2023 12:32

What's worse is that that plenty of people are still happy to vote tory, despite everything.

Agreed, unfortunately. A few of the posts on this thread, deflecting the responsibility on anyone else BUT the government ( civil servants, voters, ‘virtue signallers’) would suggest this.

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CurlewKate · 25/07/2023 22:20

As James O Brian once said ""virtue signalling’, a term which seeks to ridicule the ideas of altruism and generosity by suggesting that they are only ever undertaken in search of admiration"

threecupsofteaminimum · 25/07/2023 22:42

The fact that I read it earlier today and didn't bat an eyelid in surprise tells you where we are with them. I'd be more surprised if we went a week without hearing of the latest corrupt, illegal, immoral or disgusting news about the current government's behaviour.

Crikeyalmighty · 25/07/2023 23:24

We have stuffed the cabinet and gvt with a load of people who would struggle to get a job at a senior level in any industry on their own merits and not based on connections. - far too many too like Braverman who totally lied about their previous background- some of them have no shame at all- little actual talent, but very very high opinions of themselves-

Blossomtoes · 25/07/2023 23:35

rwalker · 25/07/2023 07:35

The problem is we’re all outraged until we’re asked to fund the £3 the. That’s always down to someone else

as for other parties always quick to pick fault from the sidelines yet very NON COMITAL on solutions

The £3 is already funded. Perhaps the PM could take a few less helicopter and private plane journeys if more money is needed.

Yellowdays · 25/07/2023 23:36

Yes our current gov are^^ probably the most corrupt and self serving we’ve had.

Can't imagine why anyone would ever vote for them again.

Blossomtoes · 25/07/2023 23:37

Yellowdays · 25/07/2023 23:36

Yes our current gov are^^ probably the most corrupt and self serving we’ve had.

Can't imagine why anyone would ever vote for them again.

Sadly some people will. Christ knows why.

DojaPhat · 25/07/2023 23:41

I think they appeal to a lot more people than some are letting on.