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Called the police on hostile neighbours who are involved in crime and now I'm scared

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Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 19:13

This isn't the first time I've spoken about this on MN but will hopefully be the last.

V long as full context needed for those not familiar.

New flat, lived here 3 months now, had problems with neighbours from literally day 1. They are completely intolerant of my children, any slight bang like a toy being dropped or any noise fro autistic DS and they're up at the door. They've been aggressive and confrontational.

Dispite all of that they blast music until the early hours of the morning. They have frequent loud two way domestics. They stink the place out with cannabis from morning to night.. some of you will remember me. No antisocial behaviour on my end, ever, just daily living noise, them on the other hand.. awful.

Anyhow. I made a log with the police around 6 weeks ago as the woman of the pair was coming to my door with an unknown person and behaving aggressively because DS jumped on his bean bag when getting ready for bed at 7 something.

The police wanted to come round and go to their flat after to question them about it but I panicked and decided not to pursue it as I thought it would make things worse. We agreed to keep logging until there was further grounds for action.

I bought a massive rug, soundproofing floor tile things, swapped my curtains for thicker ones, added fluffy throws to the sofa at the height of summer removed even more of my children's toys, removed the bean bag, made jumping a punishable offence indoors, basically I went above and beyond to make sure I was doing all I could to minimise noise. It didn't stop them continuing to complain..

Then yesterday, at 4.30pm my 4yo was playing with my young toddler, crawling after him on the floor. The man comes up pissed off because he can hear "banging all day long" (we'd not long got home so idk what he's talking about there)

I apologise, as usual, and explain they're playing but I'll ask them to stop. Remind him i've already bought rugs and sound proofing tiles. I'm half way to being able to afford a carpet. I've removed all noisy toys etc etc. Yes sir no sir three bags full sir.

After months of bowing down to these people I took a snippet of advice I got from MN and said "look, they are children playing in their own home. I can hear my upstairs neighbours daily too. Its all part of communal living and you're making me feel incredibly uncomfortable here. I said i would always try to keep them quiet and i have - but this is getting ridiculous"

Well that was it, he was off.

He was stood there over 10 minutes talking about how he's from "the streets" and doesn't have to be "friendly" with me, i should be glad that he is as he could simply kiss his teeth when he sees me instead. Friendly, aye. He drops into conversation that he's always "on road doing his ting" which I'm pretty sure means selling drugs. I told him not to tell me about his business as I don't want to know about things like that.

He then switches his tone back to "friendly" and talks about having lost two good friends to stabbings in the past year and how he himself had to chase somebody with a knife over some perceived disrespect (knocking on his door late at night)

He didn't threaten me per se but was obviously saying all of that to build a picture of himself that is intimidating, so a subliminal threat if you will.

To get rid of him I told him to just take my number and just text whenever there's a problem and ill deal with it that way as I don't want a scene at the door. I'm very unwell at the moment and cannot cope with this. He was happy enough with that and left after taking my number, suggesting we should all have a drink some time. Mental.

For the rest of the afternoon I was a nervous wreck. All the kids toys were locked in the cupboard and I was policing their every move. I couldn't sleep for worrying during the night and was just as much of a nervous wreck this morning.

He'd pretty much confirmed what I suspected he was about and the kind of people they are. He's involved with gangs isn't he? The girlfriend was supposedly training to be a health care professional but I don't think that's true now.

After two good friends, one being somebody who works with the police, told me to report it I did exactly that and put in a report online.

A lovely police officer called me shortly after and says it has gone beyond a simple neighbourly dispute now and they were satisfied that it constitutes harassment. He has read the history and thinks they are absolutely bat shit. They want me to go to the police station tomorrow. They wanted to come here today but I asked them not to as I didn't want the neighbours to see them coming here.

I'm shitting myself now. I know it's the right thing to do but what if the neighbours don't give a toss about the police? I mean clearly they don't. They wouldn't do what they do if they were.

What if It makes things worse? Part of me is worried they'll just pay somebody to do something for them.

And the awkwardness of having to pass them in the building, in the street. It's going to be horrible.

They are supposedly moving next year but how do we continue living in the same block until then? I can't move, at all.

Its going to seem like such a hostile act in the neighbours opinion as our last interaction ended relatively civilly.. but history has shown me that never lasts a week.

Would you have done the same thing as me or have I made things worse, honestly?

Anybody from my previous thread do feel free to link that below, I don't know how to do it. Thank you. It was titled "potential neighbours from hell" or something along them lines.

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Thelonelygiraffe · 23/07/2023 19:19

You have done the right thing. Your neighbours ARE batshit. I bet they're all mouth, no trousers, but you could ask the police to check if they have a criminal record and tell them you're scared.

What a cheek they have, shouting and playing loud music then complaining about kids playing! Total dickheads.

I hope the police are helpful. You have the right to live normally in your house.

Anothernamethesamegame · 23/07/2023 19:25

You’ve done the right thing. These people would have been just as risky if you rolled over and did nothing, possibly even more risky because they get the impression they can push you about.

Ask the police if there are any orders, or action you can take to get them moved.

I‘M so sorry op it sounds like you have been more than reasonable and they are horrible shits!

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 19:36

Thank you! I had a massive wobble and thought what on earth have I done 😔

There's just no reasoning with them. They get hostile, I bow down to them, that satisfies them for a week or so and then it's rinse and repeat.

Towards the end of my last thread I said and do stand by that I don't think any of this is about noise any more as we make so little of it - it's deliberate bullying.

Time and time again I've asked them to please stop coming round, they're scaring the kids etc. It goes in one ear and out of the other. I even wrote a really polite letter, putting it in black and white, they don't give a damn.

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FairAcre · 23/07/2023 19:59

I remember your previous thread and I think you have done the right thing. It is ridiculous that you have to live in fear of such dicks. Your children are entitled to be kids and not be creeping around and frightened to play with any toys. These people are not reasonable and I hope they get their comeuppance.

Island77 · 23/07/2023 20:04

Maybe ask the police if you can get some form of victim support? I’m in the UK.

I too have horrible neighbours who were threatening and victim support has a 24 hr line to calm you down a bit, they gave me some calming, grounding techniques a number to ring when i feel frightened, and they’ve sent me a personal alarm, a hand model and a door + window one to make you feel a little more safe, as you have to wait for time to tick by until your neighbours move.

But by all means, ring the police, and dont think you or your case isn’t important enough!

This is no way to live though !

Maybe you can get/borrow a big dog to make you feel safer ? or/ and a camera to record all the evidence ( or a fake one to make them think they are being watched ?)

I really feel for you !

Take care xx

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 20:12

Thank you I appreciate that.

I have a ring doorbell installed and pay for the subscription to be able to download and save recordings which is really helpful as I have everything from yesterday on film with audio.

You'd think somebody would take care not to say incriminating things on camera wouldn't you? If I hadn't have stopped him and said don't tell me anything else about what you do god knows what else he'd have said.

I ticked the box about victim support when I was submitting the report online, they sound really helpful.

I'm not allowed pets unfortunately, although it's a first floor flat so probably not ideal for a big dog anyway.

I'm so sorry you have hostile neighbours too. Its horrible isn't it?

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Coffeesnob11 · 23/07/2023 20:25

Please tell me you are not in the south east. This sounds horribly familiar. A friend had to move out as the couple below wouldn't stop harassing her and smoking cannabis and playing loud music. Is it a private rental or a council flat?

Hibiscrubbed · 23/07/2023 20:34

Anyone who spouts all that is full of shit. He’s a nobody.

They are batshit. Go to the police.

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 20:34

Coffeesnob11 · 23/07/2023 20:25

Please tell me you are not in the south east. This sounds horribly familiar. A friend had to move out as the couple below wouldn't stop harassing her and smoking cannabis and playing loud music. Is it a private rental or a council flat?

Goodness me yes I am in the South East. I'm happy to say exactly where via PM.

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Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 20:36

Posted too soon - I'm in a private rented flat. The nightmare neighbours are also private rent. AFAIK none of the flats are council. Its a little block not a massive one.

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Ohyousillydivvy · 23/07/2023 20:40

I would mention to the police that the gf is potentially training to work I bbc Healthcare. You absolutely do not want a hang member becoming a health care professional. She will have access to drugs, equipment and very vulnerable people in her care. Please mention this to the police so they can check it out.

Ohyousillydivvy · 23/07/2023 20:41

Gang member not hang member

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 20:45

Ohyousillydivvy · 23/07/2023 20:40

I would mention to the police that the gf is potentially training to work I bbc Healthcare. You absolutely do not want a hang member becoming a health care professional. She will have access to drugs, equipment and very vulnerable people in her care. Please mention this to the police so they can check it out.

I'll mention it yes.

She had a lanyard on when she came up once (not the time she was shouting) but I can't recall what was on it. I don't think it was NHS as they stand out and I'd remember that.

She made a point of saying that she was training to be a nurse, to exude an air of importance I assume as there was no relevance.

I took it at face value but I'm not convinced it's true anymore, surely an aspiring nurse wouldn't shack up with somebody involved in criminal stuff - or am I just naive?

He is %1000 into dodgy things. Initially he said he worked part time doing online shopping orders in a supermarket then yesterday he was saying he has no need for a normal job as he's always "on road doing his thing"

He's constantly coming and going in the day time.

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Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 20:58

Hibiscrubbed · 23/07/2023 20:34

Anyone who spouts all that is full of shit. He’s a nobody.

They are batshit. Go to the police.

I hope so. He showed me a photo of a young man on his phones lock screen who he said was one of his good friends who'd been killed.

I do think he knows people, I just hope he's not somebody to worry about personally.

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Im99912 · 23/07/2023 21:18

To be honest in my own experience you have done the right thing and the wrong things

I got a restraining order at a crown court with no end date and my ex neighbour can’t come within 100 meters of me my other half or our street so he lost his council house - got evicted .

however it was on going over many years
we logged everything but asked the police not to speak to him as we knew that it wouldn’t do any good
but we got extensive cctv that covered the whole street because we knew that one day he would do something and we would need solid evidence

well that one day arrives he flipped went bat shit crazy got arrested and that was that never set a foot Babi in our street

took a long time and luckily we had a lovely judge who could see what a wanker he was and basically banned him from ever coming near us again which meant when I kindly told the council assisted by my MP they evicted him

if Your neighbour is like mine won’t take any notice of the police

Nagado · 23/07/2023 21:21

I’d bet my rent money he’s talking absolute bollocks and the nearest he’s ever got to being in a gang is having a Tupac cd.

I mean this in the kindest way, but I think he’s telling you he’s dangerous because it will be obvious to him that you’re not from that world and that you might believe it and be intimidated by it.

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 21:36

Great result Im I'm so pleased you got the result you needed (and he deserved) it's just a shame it took so long.

If you could go back, what would you have done differently if anything?

Nag it did cross my mind that he's just bigging himself up but he does seem dodgy. I guess you can be both dodgy and harmless enough though. He was quite confrontational towards my ex DP on one occasion but he didn't actually do anything that time bar walking towards him raising his voice.

One of my worries is that he'll get some "little nitty" (his words - meaning drug user) to do something on his behalf.

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oi0Y0io · 23/07/2023 21:37

any chance you can get some back up?
a couple of cage fighter types to answer the door to him, he would then be the one with the 'yessir no sir 3 bags full sir'
OK I realise that may not be an option for you and I apologise if that comes across as facetious, he's probably all talk and cant resist the opportunity to intimidate a woman. He sounds revolting and stupid, I doubt he'd even have a roof over his head without his g/f there

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 21:45

oi0Y0io · 23/07/2023 21:37

any chance you can get some back up?
a couple of cage fighter types to answer the door to him, he would then be the one with the 'yessir no sir 3 bags full sir'
OK I realise that may not be an option for you and I apologise if that comes across as facetious, he's probably all talk and cant resist the opportunity to intimidate a woman. He sounds revolting and stupid, I doubt he'd even have a roof over his head without his g/f there

Sadly not, I don't know anybody like that here. I'm not from this part of the country and have never crossed paths with anyone like that.

It's a shame as that's probably the only thing that would make a blind bit of difference in reality. Some people only understand and respond to hostility. I was saying to my friend it would probably be a different story if I had an intimidating male in my corner.

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oi0Y0io · 23/07/2023 21:56

I was saying to my friend it would probably be a different story if I had an intimidating male in my corner
you are right, but then you have the problem of the intimidating male who will then feel he owns you and/or want some kind of favour in return, I'm sorry I cant think of a better suggestion, he does sound like such a twit that he'll end up self destructing in some way.

Northernsouloldies · 23/07/2023 21:56

Nagado · 23/07/2023 21:21

I’d bet my rent money he’s talking absolute bollocks and the nearest he’s ever got to being in a gang is having a Tupac cd.

I mean this in the kindest way, but I think he’s telling you he’s dangerous because it will be obvious to him that you’re not from that world and that you might believe it and be intimidated by it.

Exactly. Generally people who are at it don't advertise it because obviously nobody wants police attention. I'm going with he's a full of shit halfwit. Op hopefully you get this situation resolved. Nightmare neighbours are pita, we had one for six years so know what you're up against.

Nagado · 23/07/2023 22:08

Nag it did cross my mind that he's just bigging himself up but he does seem dodgy. He seems dodgy because he’s playing up to a stereotype to make you think that he’s too dangerous to be crossed. If you’d reacted like a fishwife the first time they came knocking, you’d probably have knocked this on the head straight away (I’m not criticising you, I appreciate not everyone has that in them). They’re a pair of schoolyard bullies who have kept on because you seem easy to intimidate.

oi0Y0io · 23/07/2023 22:10

I do think that the more you bow down to him the more he will try to dominate you, would you be able to very gradually dial down the politeness until you get to a point where you are business like with him.
Easier said than done I know but ultimately he's as dumb as a rock so it may be possible to out maneuver him

ALongHardWinter · 23/07/2023 22:36

Bloody hell OP,sorry I can't really offer any advice,just sympathy as they sound exactly like the nightmare neighbours I had for 11 years. Intolerant to the slightest noise from us,but they were allowed to have music blaring from 7am until gone 2 in the morning and carry out DIY at midnight. They were incessant cannabis smokers too. The day they moved out was a joyful day indeed. I heard that they'd moved to the south coast,near the sea. As Basil Fawlty said,'preferably in it'.

Andonitgoesagain · 23/07/2023 23:03

There's a theme with the heavy weed smokers it seems. No judgement from me on smokers, I've smoked it myself years ago, but the people who abuse it to the extent they do seem to be really paranoid and combative.

Talking of which I'm in bed atm and I can hear somebody mouthing off down the phone, standing outside, sounds alot like him.

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