WTF won't Labour, Lib Dems (& potentially the Greens) endorse tactical voting?

[Pipsquiggle]

This is obviously prompted by the by election result in Uxbridge. If there was no Lib Dem candidate, Labour could have won that seat (assuming their votes went to Labour).

I'll make no bones about it. I really dislike the Tories and want them out ASAP. Their policies have embedded generational poverty in so many parts of the UK. I reside in the home counties, a Tory stronghold seat - my middle class neighbours have zero clue how hard it is to grow up in a poor part of the country and thrive.

I want Labour to win a huge majority with other left leaning parties also getting seats. I would love electoral reform - PR and mandatory voting. The first past the post system is just shit and doesn't represent how the country voted.

YABU - Political parties should not endorse tactical voting, it's fine as it is

YANBU - Tactical voting should be encouraged as the FPTP voting system is shit

It's not about transgender people, it's about female people - women and girls.

If you think it's just about toilets then take a look at the 'Break it down for me' thread.

Yep, because he is following Blair to become not only a Tory, but a Neo-imperialist practising the Neo-imperial policies of neoliberalism.

We need change, not more neoliberalism. Corbyn, or more accurately McDonnell, was the only person who has offered us change recently and look how Starmer is treating him and all who come from more socialist leanings. A true left-wing control system is exactly the same as a right wing control system. This country is lost.

I despise the whole lot of them...

The Tories are packed with shameless spivs

Labour ranks are full of appallingly stupid people

Lib Dems are mostly cranks and weirdoes

Who’s talking about pacts? Certainly not the Labour or LibDem leaderships. Tactical voting is about voting for the candidate most likely to beat the Tory and individuals making that choice for themselves.

But why should the Lib Dems make it easier for Labour? Neither Labour or the Tories care about electoral reform. Lib Dems are only relevant in a hung parliament, therefore it suits Lib Dems if the Tories do better than expected and it's close rather than a Labour landslide.

Pretty sure Labour voted for PR at one of their conferences, however, that does not automatically mean it's in their manifesto.

Labour are definitely penalised by FPTP

No they are not. Nor are the Tories or indeed the Scottish Nazi Party

The ones who are penalised are the parties who attract a decent percentage across a wide area without having enough in many areas to win the seat. Lib Dems is one and parties like UKIP and Respect are others

@ManAboutTown I am afraid you are wrong, the FPTP massively favours the Tories, particularly with the boundary changes.

This is FPTP v PR at the last election. Labour would gain as would Lib Dems (hugely), Brexit party & Greens

Guardian article 2022:
The Labour conference has overwhelmingly backed a motion calling on the party to embrace a proportional electoral system, sparking celebrations from campaigners even though Keir Starmer seems certain to ignore the move.
The motion, which says a Labour government should ditch the current first-past-the-post system in favour of a form of proportional representation (PR), passed easily via a show of hands in the conference hall in Liverpool, prompting loud cheers.

Saying the current system “has catastrophically failed to represent people’s wishes, needs and votes”, the motion argues that first past the post is damaging and “Labour must commit to fixing it”.

Yes let's fuck over the entire country, especially poor and wc women - about whom the Conservatives give precisely NO figs) because you're terrified of something you don't understand and constitutes less than 1pc of the population.
Blinkered doesn't even begin to describe it.

Females make up 50% of the population

And your point is?

If you really think Labour and the Lib Dems are the answer you ought to review how many of them have been sent to prison or outed as sex pests or just plain wieirdoes

They are no different to the Tories

We have so-called mandatory voting in Australia but it isn’t that at all. You are required to get your name crossed off the list, that’s all. What you write when you’re in the booth is entirely secret. Nobody’s standing watching you to make sure you tick the boxes!

Green supporters often lend their votes and the party even endorsed this at the last election. They've also proposed a "progressive alliance" but have the most to benifit and last to lose from this as they are the smallest party, and there success is measured more on influence of debate and policy then seats.

The Libs are prepared to go onto coalition with either Labour or Tories, and will not piss off either by endorsing tactical voting against the other, or make themselves entirely irrelevant by no longer offering an alternative against the alternative. Also their big issues is rejoining Europe where as Labour would like to forget that Brexit ever happened.

Labour are going to win without Green or Lib votes so simply don't need then. More so they only ever win by getting Tories to vote for them, and going Lib/Green will make that much less likely as well as lose them any "traditional" votes they haven't already. They're general mo is that they lerch right to get fed up Tory votes while everyone else has no choice to vote for them to get the Tories out.

I vote on policies.

I agree. It was Labour who brought in the GRA in 2004 and caused this shit show in the first place, they voted for both the Gender Reform bill to introduce self Id and the Hate Crime laws in Scotland and if they get into power you will get that in England too.