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To wonder what all the fuss is about ULEZ

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Winterday1991 · 21/07/2023 09:52

Hardly anyone is affected, only if you have a very old car. No, you should not be free to pollute the air by driving around in a polluting vehicle and so should have to pay a penalty to do so.

It annoys me as everyone agrees we need to tackle climate change, but no one wants the hit on their life/ change their lifestyles.

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Reugny · 04/08/2023 11:37

ManAboutTown · 02/08/2023 22:35

The good news is that all the councils on the outskirts of the new ULEZ zone have told the nasty little gimp to do one and they won't be putting up any cameras in their borough

Then as soon as the step across the border people will be fined.

Reugny · 04/08/2023 11:47

jenbj · 04/08/2023 09:49

I completely agree with this. I live in an outer borough and have a car which I drive locally. My public transport options are pretty good but in some parts of the borough they are not. I don't disagree in principle with the expansion of Ulez, but the way they have rolled it out to entire London boroughs is ill thought out and penalises those living in the outer parts of the boroughs and those just outside. And it's all about money, whatever Khan says, otherwise it would be a gradual phase out over months and years of non compliant cars and not an option to pay per day.

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He won't get money for very long.

Around me there are very few cars that aren't compliant and due to how people renew their cars within a year there will be fewer cars that are non-compliant.

Sigmama · 04/08/2023 12:36

There's some horrible language on this thread

Sigmama · 04/08/2023 12:39

Ginmonkey, and plenty of people in those areas you drove through are finally getting free of the repression of traffic and pollution, or are your needs more important than theirs?

woodhill · 04/08/2023 13:05

jenbj · 04/08/2023 08:53

People have been paying the congestion charge in London for 20 years. Comparing it to Nazi Germany is ridiculous and offensive. People have a choice - I choose to never drive into central London.

I don't agree with the expansion of Ulez in its current form, but it's going to happen. I suspect like the congestion charge there is a lot of noise now but it will just be accepted. Just beware if it's coming to all of London, including leafy outer boroughs, it'll almost certainly be coming to your town too.

I would never drive into central London either but the outer boroughs are totally different

woodhill · 04/08/2023 13:28

Another interesting thing is the congestion charge in inner London is only Monday to Friday yet Ulez is 24/7. Funny that

Fizbosshoes · 04/08/2023 13:35

woodhill · 04/08/2023 13:28

Another interesting thing is the congestion charge in inner London is only Monday to Friday yet Ulez is 24/7. Funny that

Congestion charge is applicable 7 days a week although slightly shorter hours at weekends and Bank hols and not 24 hours

limitedperiodonly · 04/08/2023 14:02

woodhill · 04/08/2023 13:28

Another interesting thing is the congestion charge in inner London is only Monday to Friday yet Ulez is 24/7. Funny that

As @Fizbosshoes it used to be but now it is not. I live in the Congestion Charge area and it is needed seven days a week.

And why is it funny for Ulez to be 24/7? It's about reducing pollution not congestion. If you have a compliant car, you won't pay it.

woodhill · 04/08/2023 14:09

It's just wrong

Sigmama · 04/08/2023 14:19

It just isn't

jannier · 04/08/2023 16:42

Sigmama · 04/08/2023 08:56

Jumpingthruhoops, 46% of london households do not own a car. Are they also feeling trapped by 'the controlling fascist state', or do they in fact live freer lives moving around the city on public transport and bikes?

You don't need a car normally in central London and you couldn't afford the mortgage on the parking space outer London is very different

jannier · 04/08/2023 16:51

Wenfy · 02/08/2023 23:31

Ulez is basically a cash grab on Londoners who live in areas without adequate TfL public transportation. Nobody who lives in the new Ulez areas use their cars for fun - it’s because trains are expensive. It can cost £50 per day to travel in from Buckinghamshire.

Were the other way travelling from Hayes to Slough so out of TFL it will cost my daughter £100 a week to get to work on the train so her chance of buying or renting a home at 30 will be gone her car at the moment costs less than £10 a week in petrol and the journey time 40 minutes instead of between 80 and 120...often the bus doesn't come and she's forced into an Uber from Slough station after 3 don't turn up so that's more money.

Sigmama · 04/08/2023 16:52

Jennifer, I was responding to the nonsensical notion that london has become like a fascist state inner or outer

Ginmonkeyagain · 04/08/2023 17:00

@jannier Hayes in middlesex? Tickets from Slough to Hayes are £5.20 - even is she is going in to work 5 days a week it will not be £100 per week - more like half that.

Ginmonkeyagain · 04/08/2023 17:02

and it is a 13 min train journey.

Or do you mean Hayes in Kent? If so that is more because Hayes in Kent is not a very covenient location for work if you live in Slough.

limitedperiodonly · 04/08/2023 18:22

woodhill · 04/08/2023 14:09

It's just wrong

In what way?

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:23

It's a tax on the poor for a start and it's been rushed through

limitedperiodonly · 04/08/2023 18:26

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:23

It's a tax on the poor for a start and it's been rushed through

Can you show how it has been rushed through and the poor do not deserve to breathe as clean air as the rich?

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:29

Yes for example he's widened the scrappage scheme but this doesn't kick in to 21st August - till 28th so it's highly likely that the demand will be very high and it all the claims won't be processed in time

Why can't people apply now

limitedperiodonly · 04/08/2023 18:40

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:29

Yes for example he's widened the scrappage scheme but this doesn't kick in to 21st August - till 28th so it's highly likely that the demand will be very high and it all the claims won't be processed in time

Why can't people apply now

Do you not agree that this is a public health issue and as such should be covered under central government funding such as the Clean Air Act 1956.? That was under a Tory Government

Why should such an important issue be left to local government and at the whims of parties scrapping over seats in the forthcoming General Election?

Surely it is much more important than that.

ScribblingPixie · 04/08/2023 18:41

Cars the same make & age as my 20-year-old banger are suddenly selling at more than twice the price according to my DH, so I guess people are scrabbling around for something cheap. It's very wrong.

ScribblingPixie · 04/08/2023 18:42

It's ULEZ compliant I should have said.

Indigotree · 04/08/2023 18:42

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:23

It's a tax on the poor for a start and it's been rushed through

I'd consider it pretty well-off to be able to afford driving lessons and a car. Certainly richer than me or most people I know.
So would most of my neighbours in central London who are suffering from air pollution.

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:43

No not especially when the HS2 and airports are in close proximity

And wood burners are not regulated

It is a money making scheme

woodhill · 04/08/2023 18:44

@Indigotree

Driving lessons?

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