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Cancer charity coffee mornings should be banned

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Luxell934 · 20/07/2023 16:12

So someone on instagram, who usually gives advice to new mums on positive birthing, posted today that she though coffee mornings for cancer charities should be banned. Why? because she thinks cancer loves sugar, cancer grows from sugar and people shouldn't be giving sugar to cancer patients. She said instead of eating cakes and biscuits they should be helping cancer patients to educate themselves to change their diets to beat the disease.

My own personal opinion is that she is spreading complete misinformation to her followers not based on any actual factual studies.

For a start these coffee mornings are not held in the hospital rooms of cancer patients to feed them cake. They’re fundraising events often in school halls, offices, community centres or hospitals as a support system where people are coming together to support and raise money for those diagnosed with cancer. They don't target cancer patients, it's more about the general public raising funds for cancer nurses and research. Cancer coffee mornings are just one of the ways charities fund raise. They also do lots of fitness based ones, like the muddy 5k run, race for life, some do walking based ones. Although not everyone would be able to do something physical for charity, so they might choose the coffee morning. Let's face it, cake is nice right, if it was advertised as a green tea and carrot stick morning, it wouldn't be as popular.

Yes I agree sugar isn't healthy for us. We should all reduce our refined sugar intake. Excess sugar can lead to weight gain which can cause serious health issues including diabetes and obesity which could be a contributing factor to some cancers. BUT cancer is not caused by sugar alone, and cancer can't be cured by cutting out sugar. Cancer also can't be cured by diet alone. I've heard the stories of people saying "My husband cured his stage 4 lung cancer by diet alone!" Right.

There is also no actual evidence that cancer cells grow from sugar. All cells, including cancer cells need glucose (blood sugar) to survive. Glucose comes from any carbohydrate, refined carbs (cake, bread) and unrefined carbs (fruit, veg). Glucose is critical for our cells to survive and function properly. Not consuming sufficient carbohydrates can lead to the breakdown of protein stores in our body, which can contribute to muscle loss and possibly malnutrition. There is no possible way for our bodies to stop cancer cells from getting the glucose and only giving it to the healthy cells.

So should cancer coffee mornings be banned?

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sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 08:20

I’m truly sorry for your husband’s cancer diagnosis- I see where you’re coming from now.
All I’m suggesting is that we need to keep an open mind - doctors were encouraging people to smoke in the 40s/50s which is mind boggling now. What’s to say in another 50 years, the same isn’t true of a non ketogenic diet?

I'm not sure how you know that people are not 'keeping an open mind'.

It would great if it was true and if it has legs as a theory, more research will be happen. Who doesn't want to cure cancer fgs?

The point again ( and sorry to labour the point ) is unqualified people should not be making categorical, unscientific assertions especially around health.

In the meantime a healthy diet is always going to be a positive against cancer. And sugar is not really part of a healthy diet.

But we all know you can have a healthy diet and a piece of cake.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 21/07/2023 08:25

My DD’s MiL makes masses of cakes for charity coffee mornings. Over some years she and friends have raised over £100k for their local hospice, where many patients have terminal cancer.

Are you suggesting that they should stop?

Luxell934 · 21/07/2023 09:15

JMAngel1 · 21/07/2023 08:13

I’m truly sorry for your husband’s cancer diagnosis- I see where you’re coming from now.
All I’m suggesting is that we need to keep an open mind - doctors were encouraging people to smoke in the 40s/50s which is mind boggling now. What’s to say in another 50 years, the same isn’t true of a non ketogenic diet?

It’s definitely possible. People are already advised to reduce junk food that contains a lot of unrefined sugars though. It’s a proven fact that certain diets and ways of eating can reverse type 2 diabetes.

It just is a-lot more complicated for cancer. It’s not as simple as saying “sugar feeds cancer”. This statement is true, but also untrue at the same time time without much context. It’s untrue in the sense that reducing sugar could cure someone’s cancer alone.

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sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 09:37

I’m truly sorry for your husband’s cancer diagnosis- I see where you’re coming from now.@JMAngel1

I'm sorry if I sounded abrasive. There's nothing personal here.

Abra1t · 21/07/2023 09:51

Viviennemary · 20/07/2023 19:43

I am not keen on some cancer charities with their executives earning salaries in the hundreds of thousands, so I dont support them for that reason. But I do get OP's point about coffee mornings selling cakes loaded with sugar which is not good for us.

Not good for you if you eat them every day. Absolutely fine as a treat.

cactusjane · 21/07/2023 10:54

MaggyNoodles · 20/07/2023 21:11

I think most forced fundraising events should be banned, particularly coffee mornings. But not for the reasons you mention. Just bloody sick of the constant pressure to donate money and buy stuff I don't want for the same charities over and over again.
Just donate quietly if you feel the need.

Let's hope you never need care or research which requires money which requires fundraising then. What a silly comment.

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:31

You are right, the links are now well known. Anyone who argues otherwise and shuts you down without debate is misinformed. I am sorry that you have been attacked. Thomas Seyfried is a genius, he was a game changer for us. Unfortunately many medics are only trained in SOC treatments and will not think outside of those parameters. You've clearly done your own research. Good luck to you on your journey, whether it's you or a loved one

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:34

LMNT · 20/07/2023 16:18

Good lord your post is horrendously wrong about the links between sugar and cancer.

When you get a scan to check for cancer they inject you irradiated GLUCOSE because guess where the glucose goes first?!

I suggest you look at the work of Otto Warburg and Thomas Seyfried.

She is 100% right that sugar feeds cancer.

Replying to LMNT

frumpalertt · 21/07/2023 12:36

Wow, the level of bonkers on this thread.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 12:39

many medics are only trained in SOC treatments and will not think outside of those parameters. You've clearly done your own research.

" will not think"

"Your own research"

Please.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 12:40

What is a SOC treatment?

vodkaredbullgirl · 21/07/2023 12:44

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:34

Replying to LMNT

She never came back to reply, to back up her story.

Luxell934 · 21/07/2023 12:46

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:31

You are right, the links are now well known. Anyone who argues otherwise and shuts you down without debate is misinformed. I am sorry that you have been attacked. Thomas Seyfried is a genius, he was a game changer for us. Unfortunately many medics are only trained in SOC treatments and will not think outside of those parameters. You've clearly done your own research. Good luck to you on your journey, whether it's you or a loved one

I'm willing to look into Thomas Seyfrieds theory but maybe more people would take him seriously if he didn't say things like this.

"The low-carb, high-fat ketogenic diet can replace chemotherapy and radiation for even the deadliest of cancers, said Dr. Thomas Seyfried, a leading cancer researcher and professor at Boston College.
In an exclusive interview, Dr. Seyfried discussed why the ketogenic diet has not been embraced by the medical community to treat cancer despite its proven track record both clinically and anecdotally.
“The reason why the ketogenic diet is not being prescribed to treat cancer is purely economical,” said Dr. Seyfried, author of Cancer as a Metabolic Disease. “Cancer is big business. There are more people making a living off cancer than there are dying of it.”

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MinnieMountain · 21/07/2023 12:54

Of course she didn’t @vodkaredbullgirl . Because it’s bollocks.

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:57

Thomas Seyfried comes from a position of asking why, despite the billions of dollars thrown at cancer research, there have been virtually no developments in nearly a century. He concludes that the researchers have always been looking in the wrong places. I find his approach most enlightening. He doesn't just discuss keto, he comes from many different angles. And he's bang on the money about big pharma

nothingcomestonothing · 21/07/2023 12:57

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:31

You are right, the links are now well known. Anyone who argues otherwise and shuts you down without debate is misinformed. I am sorry that you have been attacked. Thomas Seyfried is a genius, he was a game changer for us. Unfortunately many medics are only trained in SOC treatments and will not think outside of those parameters. You've clearly done your own research. Good luck to you on your journey, whether it's you or a loved one

RTFT.

What links? If they're well known as you claim, you can provide evidence of these links yes?

Silly, silly medics, only using treatments with proven effectiveness on patients who will die if they get it wrong. Better they should listen to Dunning-Kruger randoms on the internet.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 13:00

And he's bang on the money about big pharma

Bang On 🙄

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 13:00

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 12:40

What is a SOC treatment?

It's Standard of Care treatments meaning chemo, radiotherapy, immunotherapy, in effect the standard treatments you will be offered by your oncologist. Anything additional is down to you

nothingcomestonothing · 21/07/2023 13:03

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:57

Thomas Seyfried comes from a position of asking why, despite the billions of dollars thrown at cancer research, there have been virtually no developments in nearly a century. He concludes that the researchers have always been looking in the wrong places. I find his approach most enlightening. He doesn't just discuss keto, he comes from many different angles. And he's bang on the money about big pharma

Virtually no developments?! 50 years ago there was no treatment whatsoever for childhood leukaemia. Children got diagnosed and then died. Now what, 96% are cured? How about immunotherapy, bone marrow transplant, CAR-T? Christ alive, how are people not ashamed to proclaim their ignorance like this?

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 13:05

nothingcomestonothing · 21/07/2023 12:57

RTFT.

What links? If they're well known as you claim, you can provide evidence of these links yes?

Silly, silly medics, only using treatments with proven effectiveness on patients who will die if they get it wrong. Better they should listen to Dunning-Kruger randoms on the internet.

Do your own research. I'm not your tutor. It will take you 10 seconds to find links. Then come to your own conclusions. Yes do SOC but still many people die from those. You have to throw the kitchen sink at cancer, have a mixed bag approach.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 13:05

It's Standard of Care treatments meaning chemo, radiotherapy, immunotherapy, in effect the standard treatments you will be offered by your oncologist. Anything additional is down to you

Well not imho. Are you in the UK?

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 13:08

from a position of asking why, despite the billions of dollars thrown at cancer research, there have been virtually no developments in nearly a century

What???Treatments have developed just during the time span of my OH's treatment.

You are entirely wrong about that.

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 13:09

@eyesopenedatlast

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 13:15

sunglassesonthetable · 21/07/2023 13:08

from a position of asking why, despite the billions of dollars thrown at cancer research, there have been virtually no developments in nearly a century

What???Treatments have developed just during the time span of my OH's treatment.

You are entirely wrong about that.

I am just quoting Seyfried. It's his opinion. Yes there have been developments but he clearly thinks nowhere near enough

tt9 · 21/07/2023 13:19

eyesopenedatlast · 21/07/2023 12:57

Thomas Seyfried comes from a position of asking why, despite the billions of dollars thrown at cancer research, there have been virtually no developments in nearly a century. He concludes that the researchers have always been looking in the wrong places. I find his approach most enlightening. He doesn't just discuss keto, he comes from many different angles. And he's bang on the money about big pharma

there have been virtually no developments? are you serious? like really serious?

every year we are making huge leaps in cancer treatments... most cancers are now very treatable...

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