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Or should I refuse to put up with my neighbour’s husband’s aggressive behaviour triggered by our house repairs?

39 replies

workingtowards · 16/07/2023 21:17

We are from London, but four years ago bought a property in Suffolk to be closer to my husband’s family who live here. Being ‘London wankers’ as the locals affectionately say, we were expecting some antagonism, but instead of that, we have found people kind, welcoming and have made some really good friends. We are really happy here.

However, our house had been neglected for several years. The woodwork on the roof needed repairing and there was a party wall that was falling down.

Our problem is with the husband nextdoor, whose drive runs alongside our house. His wife is lovely and I talked to her about the situation saying that we might need access to their drive to fix our roof at a later date. I asked if they would like to talk to the builders when they came to work on a (separate) job.

She said yes, but on the day, rather that her coming out, her husband came. His face was puce and his fists were balled up in anger. I am only 5ft 1, but luckily had the builders with me. He was so angry, he was walking in circles and gesticulating and not really making any sense. I eventually managed to stem his flow of fury to explain that we didn’t even know yet if the work needed to be done, we just wanted to let him know what might need to happen. We did receive an apology by text later, saying that he had misunderstood what was going on.

Roll on to this week, and the repair of the party wall. We are paying for it all, as he made it clear that he would not contribute, despite it being joint responsibility according to the deeds. To be honest, I am willing to accept that, as we are paying an amazing local guy who builds flint walls. It will be slow and expensive, but we will end with something we are proud of.

I set up a group what’s app with him and his wife and showed them plans and told them who the builders were. We took them round our garden, explained everything and adjusted plans to accommodate his wishes (low at the back, so the sun hits his veg patch). Fundamentally, I bent over backwards for him, despite them not paying towards it. They agreed access via their side (we are semi attached on the other side).

So, first day of building, he went absolutely beserk, haranguing the builders. (The trigger was his wife allowing the builders to park on their drive) I had 2 hours of incoherent angry text messages and photos when he got back from work, despite immediately dealing with any issue he raised. The photos literally just show the wall being taken down and a couple of stray leaves and rocks.

So, the builders no longer access from his side, just because of his temper, and I am bracing myself to face his red faced fury when I get back.

My gut instinct is to just draw a line and say that I am not willing to be spoken to in this way. Do I need to keep trying to engage with him and put up with his abuse? He is so aggressive, I worry for his wife.

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MXVIT · 24/07/2023 20:46

Time for the police I think!!

SchoolShenanigans · 24/07/2023 20:54

workingtowards · 24/07/2023 20:39

Update: our builders no longer use our neighbour’s driveway for access because of his aggression. He then got angry because they weren’t using his driveway (what?!). Our friends have now sent us photos of him trespassing in our garden and interfering with the wall. Unbelievable behaviour.

"is this you neighbour? Please can we ask that you ask permission before entering our garden. We have done nothing wrong in getting the wall fixed. We have paid the full cost and have tried to be as fair as possible when it comes to designs and the building work.

We will not be intimidated by your behaviour. If you continue to trespass and send petty messages, we will have to get the police involved. We want to remain civil, please don't make that difficult for us."

SmirnoffIceIsNice · 24/07/2023 20:59

Well done OP for being prepared to stand up to this man and not be intimidated. Please tell me you're going to notify him that you have evidence of him trespassing in your garden and he is not to enter your property or touch your wall ( your wall now you're paying for it) again.

He sounds like a nightmare. Hate to think what his wife must have to put up with.

workingtowards · 24/07/2023 21:01

My feeling is to keep my tinder dry. If I just confront him with the photos, he will be more aggressive and obstructive and we still have a damp wall caused by his over-high drive to fix. I have asked the builders to let me know if there is any damage though and if so, I will have no choice but to proceed to legal action.

I have kept a diary of his behaiour to date and screen shot the conversations between us and the poor builders who have had to deal with him over the past two weeks. We have others who have witnessed his earlier behaviour too and now the photos of him trespassing. I am trying to build up enough evidence to show the local police officers that this isn't just a neighbours' spat. The problem is that he is well-established in the neighbourhood, so I think he feels he is untouchable.

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workingtowards · 24/07/2023 21:07

SmirnoffIceIsNice · 24/07/2023 20:59

Well done OP for being prepared to stand up to this man and not be intimidated. Please tell me you're going to notify him that you have evidence of him trespassing in your garden and he is not to enter your property or touch your wall ( your wall now you're paying for it) again.

He sounds like a nightmare. Hate to think what his wife must have to put up with.

Thank you Smirnoff. I am trying to sound confident, as I hate bullies, but a bit of back-up means a lot. xx

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KatsuYum · 24/07/2023 22:31

Evidencing everything is the way to go but just consider at what point to intervene. Right now he will continue to do this as there is zero consequence to his actions and it’s kind of like you are allowing it by not addressing it as and when it happens. He may then claim “he thought it was ok as I always went in their garden to check stuff previously and there was no issue”.

I would like think quite soon a cease and desist type letter might be appropriate?

YesitsBess · 24/07/2023 22:41

Do you want me to come and sit in your garden like a malevolent gnome and glare at him? Because I am bored and I will. 😎

workingtowards · 24/07/2023 22:50

Ah bless you! That has made me laugh for the first time in ages. 🤣

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workingtowards · 24/07/2023 22:52

I think that you are right about not tolerating his behaviour and that if we do he will think it’s ok.

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workingtowards · 24/07/2023 22:58

My reply technology seems to be failing me. That first response was to YesitsBess and the second to Katsuyum. Thank you both. X

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Zepherine · 24/07/2023 23:10

workingtowards · 16/07/2023 22:46

Just to share the pain of what he has had to put up with. Here is one of the photos he sent us to complain (bearing in mind a whole wall had been removed).

I would have replied with a laughing emoji if he’d sent me that!

YesitsBess · 24/07/2023 23:10

workingtowards · 24/07/2023 22:58

My reply technology seems to be failing me. That first response was to YesitsBess and the second to Katsuyum. Thank you both. X

My pleasure. Offer stands. I'll dig out my red wellingtons and fishing rod.

I would offer you serious advice but loads of people have done that so I'll stick with semi-aggresive weirdness 🙂

Xiaoxiong · 24/07/2023 23:11

If you are trying to build up evidence to show the police or get an injunction, you have to warn him off every time and for the police to do anything you have to show that you're afraid he's going to cause damage. If you just go and say "my neighbour's been in my garden 15 times" they'll say "and what happened when you asked him not to?"

I'd be sending him the picture immediately and saying please don't enter my garden or touch the wall that my builders are repairing. If it happens again you'll be hearing from our lawyers and liable for any damage to the wall.

Then if he does it again you warn him off again and again and he can't say that he thought you wouldn't mind, that he was invited, that he wasn't aware his presence was unwanted etc. And after it's happened a few times, solicitor letter and police to warn him (if afraid he will damage the wall), and potentially a fine.

Canisaysomething · 24/07/2023 23:31

If this wall straddles the boundary then it's a "party fence wall" and you need to have issued a party wall notice for works which grants you access to his land to maintain it. If it's your own wall entirely on your land then you don't have the same access rights. You need some proper advice from a party wall surveyor asap before this escalates because if it's a "party fence wall" and you haven't issued the notice your neighbour can legally put a stop on the work.

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