A significant amount of people take more then they contribute

[Bluesheeps]

i appreciate mumsnet takes you out of your social circle.
But I find there’s s mad level of entitlement.

Not this shit again; where is this shit coming from? Is it more US cultural imperialism or from somewhere else?
Every couple of weeks someone starts boring on about "net contributors" as if society had never been invented and it's really that simple - who are all these simplistic children of Thatcherism?

You answered your own question there, I think.

Exactly.

And those pesky pensioners that live until they are 100, how very entitled of them taking all those years of pension.

I do apologise for being born with a rare neurological condition which amongst other things, caused me to have epilepsy as a child. As a result of that neurological condition, I have to have injections plus other medication to prevent migraine. I also have to undergo a lot of testing to find out why my vision is the way it is.

I'm sure my parents apologise to the tax payers for passing on their dodgy genes which currently means I'm having a lot of tests to find out why I've got dodgy lungs.

Have you had children?

Those who say they haven’t got children so aren’t ‘getting their moneys worth’ forget they were the child.

And forget those kids will grow up to be the adults that pay for their pension.

Some people just can't get off the glass is half empty mentality.

We don't live in such a society.

DH has definitely taken more than he's given, financially, thanks to the unknown genetic condition that caused his cancer. I suppose @OhNoOhNo will think it was careless of him to have been born the son of a man who chose to remain anonymous and therefore not share the family history of bowel cancer the geneticist says will almost certainly be present.

In my line of work I have encountered a few people trying to get allocated a ground floor flat. In every one of those instances it has been because they have a disability which is causing their mobility to deteriorate; they don't quite have enough points yet for the ground floor but they know that in the near future they won't be able to manage the stairs, and would rather not have to go back on the waiting list and have the hassle of moving again at that point. What entitled scumbags they are, not wanting to be stranded in their homes for an indefinite period of time. How feckless of them not to win the Euromillions so they can just buy a place outright despite being unable to work.

OP not coming back to the thread? What a shocker.

Not that they’d admit for the purposes of this thread.

Maybe it’s the system that’s wrong. Maybe we actually have a god given right to the land

Yes OP. Think about others a bit more carefully.

Also you think you will never ever need any services at some point?
Really??

Minimum wage isn't adequate for many people to live on - hence they rely on UC top-ups and fall into the 'taker' category even though they are working just as hard as someone on a higher wage. If min wage was a living amount this wouldn't be necessary.

Ooh! I thought you meant the rich, who own practically everything and dodge taxes.

Oxfam has done research to show that the richest 1% of Britons hold more wealth than 70 per cent of Britons, while the four richest Britons have more wealth than 20 million Britons.(www.oxfam.org.uk/media/press-releases/richest-1-grab-nearly-twice-as-much-new-wealth-as-rest-of-the-world-put-together/)

But no, my mistake. You meant disabled people.

@OhNoOhNo

I kind of get what you mean.

Worked all my life, never entitled to benefits, don’t drink or smoke and I eat healthy so have never been to hospital and have private heath insurance.

Saving for my retirement and feeling like I have not got much the system.

Consider yourself very fortunate, rather than feeling you haven't go much out? You are In a far better position than many.

Aside from your stupidity that is.

Yes.

It would be very interesting to look at the contribution profile of large corporations and businesses trading in the UK. Those which on the face of it pay shed-loads of tax. I'd love to see what those numbers looked like once you accounted for lower paid employees who need UC to live and do their jobs - people who need to be there in person and therefore live within a reasonable distance, like cleaners, receptionists, security guards and so on.

In the US Walmart is known for low wages meaning that a significant percentage of its employees need food stamps. The business is essentially being subsidised by the US Govt.

At the age of 52 I have only claimed child benefit, and have only required NHS treatment a few times. I am a very fortunate person, and have no ill will against less fortunate people than me.

I still haven't worked out who it is aimed at?

On a population level, no it isn't the top few richest percent who pay taxes and the rest of us leach off that. It's the size of the population - millions of working people. Many of us also put in a lifetime of working in social care/education/healthcare. Most of the richest in society find ways to avoid paying tax anyway.

I assumed you were referring to people who spend their lives doing horrifically destructive jobs e.g. in banking, advertising, non-renewable energy companies, cars, manufacturing, making huge sums of money off the rest of the world. Or people who work perpetuating destructive systems.

Or people who drive cars, go on flights, eat lots of unethically farmed meat, shop unethically.

All these people are destroying the world and causing huge suffering and deaths. The rest of us suffer or try to pick up the pieces.

Living on benefits (were it possible) would be far more environmentally sustainable and ethical. I'm far happier to see people living on meagre benefits and not going out of their way to destroy the world for the rest of us.

On an individual level they do, as in someone earning 200,000 a year pays more tax than a person on minimum wage. However, the country's tax pot is largely made up of the normal working/middle class population's taxes which due to the number of working people add up to a lot more overall than the tax from the top 1%.

Yes - I'd been responding to an earlier poster's point on that.

Yes, they are clearly deeply undereducated in how society or economics work as well as severely underdeveloped when it comes to emotional or ethical insight.

They're probably not doing a very ethical job on that wage. More likely leeching off the people forced into poverty by their actions.