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Bluesheeps · 2023-07-13T22:45:33+00:00

i appreciate mumsnet takes you out of your social circle. But I find there’s s mad level of entitlement.

Kafkaland · 14/07/2023 00:58

Pawpatrolsucks · 14/07/2023 00:13

If business weren’t allowed to pay such terrible wages it wouldn’t be such as issue.

Someone I know had to move into a caravan at their parents despite two of them working full time jobs. They couldn’t make ends meet, their rent got put up so much they had no choice. A neighbour complained about them being in the caravan, the council made them move.

It worked out for the family as were able to move to the country. They have their caravan on a farm, one works in the farm for cash, the other works one day a week. They get to be home with their two kids, pay no tax on their income and get benefits. They are happy to take rather than contribute as they feel they are owed it.

Why do they pay no tax?

Why do they "think they are owed it"?

Kafkaland · 14/07/2023 01:03

Most of a country’s income is generated by big companies, only a tiny portion is from individuals tax.

Nope.

A significant amount of people take more then they contribute

MusicInAWord · 14/07/2023 01:08

This the breakdown of taxes - company tax is a small part of the total.

Pawpatrolsucks · 14/07/2023 01:13

MusicInAWord · 14/07/2023 01:08

This the breakdown of taxes - company tax is a small part of the total.

You guys must earn more. It’s very different in Australia

bumblebee2235 · 14/07/2023 01:18

Bluesheeps · 14/07/2023 00:18

But there’s always going to be a bottom wage. I don’t understand the argument that if minimum wage was better life would be green.

I think another issue is the quality of life..

We are a modern developed country (and world).. it's not the 1800. We have amazing developments in medicine/housing ect the poverty line should be higher worldwide.. the "benefits" should not be gatekept. Although you'd expect higher earners to gain perhaps quicker access or more VIP service. But you would expect people who work hard (minimum wage) to at least keep a stable roof over your heads, medicine, decent education ect or those disabled to still have a manageable life. For poorer countries not no access to medicine, homes and education.. for UK not a 2 year waiting list for a hip just to be mobile again, a food bank or any of those big things that circulate on the news. We are in a society not a back end of nowhere where you live off the land. So I would expect with equality/developments in science/free education that we would of worked out a comfortable secure life as minimum for poverty line and a bit of extravagance for the wealthy.

Perhaps a bit of entitlement isn't too bad, too expect that in 2023 we shouldn't be trying and expecting poverty to be worse and living standards to drop so the lucky few can pay themselves on the back thinking thank god I'm not ill, my investment worked out, I didn't get made redundant so I can dodge the poor standards of living so and so must deserve.

Kafkaland · 14/07/2023 01:26

You guys must earn more.

🤣🤣🤣

Again, no.

Just a terrible system.

wafflyversatile · 14/07/2023 01:42

Bluesheeps · 14/07/2023 00:03

@HermeticDawn no I’m completely supportive of benefits. I just dislike the not enough mentally

So you dislike the not enough mentality? How about you get angry at the parasite 1% for whom no amount of 'more than you need to live on', or leeching off the workers and renters and poorest will ever be enough, rather than the people with the least who just want a house they can feel at home in.

Moneynewpence · 14/07/2023 03:10

OhNoOhNo · 13/07/2023 23:50

I kind of get what you mean.

Worked all my life, never entitled to benefits, don’t drink or smoke and I eat healthy so have never been to hospital and have private heath insurance.

Saving for my retirement and feeling like I have not got much the system.

Plenty of people neither smoke nor drink and eat healthily and still need medical care. Don't be ridiculous.

Coyoacan · 14/07/2023 03:16

Studies from around the world show that crime grows in direct proportion to inequality. So much as some people like the OP might resent contributing to the wellbeing of their neighbours, it all goes makes the world a safer people place for us all to live in

Elephantinasandstorm · 14/07/2023 07:08

There should always be proper support for people who cannot work whether through disability or being on maternity leave etc (it really needs to be better), but I am sure I see what OP means.
Most people are not net contributors to treasury. That actually can be a problem. Everyone moans about state and underfunding of services but then also moan when someone points out that most people are not net contributors. If people look at it purely financially and don't involve "there is mkre than mlney" feelings, they would have to admit there is an issue and overall system needs to change. To support vulnerable properly, more money is and will be needed so more contributors will be needed. And not just people but also companies of course.

I read that as things are uk grown person's overall wages would have to be 40k+ average for working life to end up being net contributor. That's a lot for many though.

(if anyone wants to see really frustrating "i am not entitled to anything" see "no recourse to public funds" even after years of paying in even if one needs help for few months)

Mirrordoor · 14/07/2023 07:37

Christ, do you know how smug your 'I don't drink or smoke and I eat healthily so I've never been in hospital' bullshit is?

I don't smoke or drink and I eat healthily but I got cancer at a young age. You are lucky. You haven't 'earned' your health status any more than I've earned mine.

I'm not going to feel guilty for accepting expensive cancer treatments instead of dying for the greater financial good 🙄

Swrigh1234 · 14/07/2023 07:43

A vast majority of people take more than they contribute. And the number of net contributors is shrinking. So there is less and less for the takers. It was always unsustainable and now the chickens are coming home to roost.

Instead of being outraged by OP’s question, it’s worth considering that the entitled attitude has led to overall shrinking of what is available to take. Who knew, eh?

Jigslaw · 14/07/2023 07:45

I think a lot don't realise the value of the services they access and understand that its not sustainable to fund these whilst the contributions aren't balancing out. I'm sure over the next decade we will see a slow erosion at free at point of access.

Jigslaw · 14/07/2023 07:47

And the number of net contributors is shrinking.

This is why some decisions around taxation and incentives for big bucks businesses are unpopular but necessary. Now we live in a global marketplace people can easily move their business and the money it brings somewhere more appealing. Its a balance, but we need very high earners to supplement lower earners who don't contribute much.

Silvered · 14/07/2023 08:25

You're being angry at the wrong people.

Be angry at the 1% who are systematically extracting every last drop. Enriching themselves when they already have more money than they can spend in a lifetime.

Be angry at a system which allows a bank to load a water company with debt, extract cash for dividends and then sell the firm the day before it's hit with a £20m fine for environmental breaches.

Be angry at a system which refuses to pay the real cost of treatment, meaning that NHS dentists are vanishing and people are resorting to pulling their own teeth out with pliers.

Be angry at a system which promises funded childcare, but deliberately underpays the hourly cost, meaning that private nurseries have to make up the difference or close. Be angry that once that child is old enough to go to school, there's fuck-all help for wrap-around childcare making it hugely difficult for women (and it's usually women) to have meaningful and rewarding careers because they can't get the childcare they need.

Be angry at a system which means that if your child has additional needs then you are swimming against the tide, every single day, just to try and get their needs met.

I could go on. You are being angry at the wrong people. But that's what the bloated 1% at the top of this fucked up country want you to do, because it distracts you from the fact that they are squeezing every last penny into their already bulging coffers. Far easier to get the proles to fight amongst themselves.

Chasingadvice · 14/07/2023 08:38

Zampa · 13/07/2023 23:47

Yeah, my disabled child contributes nothing to society but gets higher level DLA care and mobility. She's so undeserving.

There's always a post like this where someone wails about their disabled child/partner/cousin/niece knowing full well it doesn't apply to them. Martyrdom isn't as exciting as it may have looked in the beginning it seems.

Swrigh1234 · 14/07/2023 08:38

Silvered · 14/07/2023 08:25

You're being angry at the wrong people.

Be angry at the 1% who are systematically extracting every last drop. Enriching themselves when they already have more money than they can spend in a lifetime.

Be angry at a system which allows a bank to load a water company with debt, extract cash for dividends and then sell the firm the day before it's hit with a £20m fine for environmental breaches.

Be angry at a system which refuses to pay the real cost of treatment, meaning that NHS dentists are vanishing and people are resorting to pulling their own teeth out with pliers.

Be angry at a system which promises funded childcare, but deliberately underpays the hourly cost, meaning that private nurseries have to make up the difference or close. Be angry that once that child is old enough to go to school, there's fuck-all help for wrap-around childcare making it hugely difficult for women (and it's usually women) to have meaningful and rewarding careers because they can't get the childcare they need.

Be angry at a system which means that if your child has additional needs then you are swimming against the tide, every single day, just to try and get their needs met.

I could go on. You are being angry at the wrong people. But that's what the bloated 1% at the top of this fucked up country want you to do, because it distracts you from the fact that they are squeezing every last penny into their already bulging coffers. Far easier to get the proles to fight amongst themselves.

The 1% that contribute nearly a 1/3 of all tax? An emotional rant doesn’t make it an accurate one.

Chasingadvice · 14/07/2023 08:39

orangeleavesinautumn · 14/07/2023 00:18

I ve taken more than I have contributed financially

I have had about half a million pounds worth of cancer treatment

I have also volunteered in prisons, schools, respite units, help lines, scouts, guides, brownies, cubs, psychiatric units, homeless shelters and hospitals, as well as fostering and taking in refugees

I have also worked in state education for decades.

I still feel guilty about the half million though

Why do you feel guilty for accepting nhs healthcare? Would you have preferred not to have taken the treatment?

Jujubes5 · 14/07/2023 08:42

Ill-health towards teh end of life probably wipes out most of a person's tax payments.
And avoiding alcohol and cigarettes is good but the tax from teh purchase of those goes a looooong way.

Jujubes5 · 14/07/2023 08:43

Most of the tax is paid by the top ?5% ?!% or at any rate only a few vvv rich provide the majority of tax.

MissingMoominMamma · 14/07/2023 08:44

Silvered · 14/07/2023 08:25

You're being angry at the wrong people.

Be angry at the 1% who are systematically extracting every last drop. Enriching themselves when they already have more money than they can spend in a lifetime.

Be angry at a system which allows a bank to load a water company with debt, extract cash for dividends and then sell the firm the day before it's hit with a £20m fine for environmental breaches.

Be angry at a system which refuses to pay the real cost of treatment, meaning that NHS dentists are vanishing and people are resorting to pulling their own teeth out with pliers.

Be angry at a system which promises funded childcare, but deliberately underpays the hourly cost, meaning that private nurseries have to make up the difference or close. Be angry that once that child is old enough to go to school, there's fuck-all help for wrap-around childcare making it hugely difficult for women (and it's usually women) to have meaningful and rewarding careers because they can't get the childcare they need.

Be angry at a system which means that if your child has additional needs then you are swimming against the tide, every single day, just to try and get their needs met.

I could go on. You are being angry at the wrong people. But that's what the bloated 1% at the top of this fucked up country want you to do, because it distracts you from the fact that they are squeezing every last penny into their already bulging coffers. Far easier to get the proles to fight amongst themselves.

Sorry- this is exactly what I wanted to say, but you say it so well, I’ve just quoted you. Thank you!

viques · 14/07/2023 08:46

If everyone is contributing what they “should” into the system then it all evens out. It stops working not because people are taking “out” of the system, but because people aren’t contributing “to”the system, from tax dodging multi millionaires, to prime minister’s wives, to international companies, to cash in hand workers, to the economically inactive through choice, to the people who buy their cigarettes from cigarette smugglers, to the owners of unregistered untaxed cars etc etc etc if everyone put in what they should be there would be a fairer and more equitable pot.

orangeleavesinautumn · 14/07/2023 08:48

Chasingadvice · 14/07/2023 08:39

Why do you feel guilty for accepting nhs healthcare? Would you have preferred not to have taken the treatment?

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no, I am very grateful for the treatment, but very aware I "owe" the country

PegSliderskew · 14/07/2023 08:48

Yes they do.

Oddly, most of the under-contributors have vast amounts of money.

Poor people are not the cause of any of the world's problems.

DiscoBeat · 14/07/2023 08:49

Take more what? Money, weight, sausages? I hate these cryptic posts.