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AIBU?

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About DH drinking

50 replies

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 07:02

I don't drink so looking for some more rounded opinions on this. Will try to keep it brief.

DH enjoys a drink but has a tendency to drink too much and doesn't know his limits. I'm just talking beer, nothing stronger.

Out with friends - fine. Gets a bit embarrassing once he reaches the drunk point but whatever, think that's pretty normal (and certainly is for others I know of his generation - 40s/50s).

However, what bothers me is he will go to the pub alone and have 3-4 pints and this then has an impact on his mood, both in terms of his anxiety/depression and in terms of the way he's able to cope (or not) with things, especially family life.

He does this when he's either feeling low already, or stressed, or is just at a loose end. He'll choose to do it instead of spending time with the family. He does it before collecting the children from childcare (both under 8).

Drinking regularly, and heavily, and as a coping mechanism, is fairly common in his wider friendship group. I'm a decade younger and it's less common among my friends/peers, many of whom either don't drink at all or are comfortable either drinking or not in social situations. Whenever we do anything as a family, it always seems to have to involve beer. I try hard not to comment as it's not my place to dictate what he does to enjoy himself but I wish we could just enjoy ourselves without going to a pub from time to time.

He is secretive about when he goes to pubs but I always know because I've known him long enough that I know the signs. He becomes less communicative by text, more forgetful, more irritable with me/the kids and has trouble sleeping, then often is horny the following day and gets frustrated by this especially as I'm rarely in the mood having experienced all the above the day prior! I don't enjoy his company at all when he's been drinking, he can be not only irritable but sometimes actively nasty to me, provoking me into arguments and so on. He lacks any patience with the kids which makes it stressful at home. And it's a cycle which keeps getting repeated, again and again.

Earlier this week I was out after work for the evening. He had some time between work and collecting the kids. He went very quiet and wasn't replying to texts until later in the evening. I suspect/know that he went for a drink, and by that I mean probably 3-4 pints. He has said nothing about this, hasn't mentioned he had a drink, but I'm 90% sure if I asked to see his bank statement it would show he did, as he was very down the following day, irritable, not sleeping well etc. As I say, I just know him and I know.

I'm uncomfortable with him being in charge of the kids after a drink and have told him this but he dismisses me and says it's normal and all parents do it. I don't drink any more but even if I did, would certainly never have more than one or two drinks if I was in sole charge of the kids (he doesn't drive but it's his impaired judgement and tendency to be easily irritated/frustrated which bother me).

He has acknowledged the solo drinking isn't helpful for his mood, and has made efforts not to do it, but always seems to return to it.

However, I don't know if I'm being unreasonable and whether actually this is a totally normal thing and I should get off my sober high horse.

So AIBU?

And if I'm not, how do I talk to him about this? I'm trying hard to accept it as part of him but increasingly I'm wondering if this is just something I can't live with any more, and if it's never going to change, I'm not sure I want to be in the relationship - or subjecting the kids to it.

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Ahdinnaeken1 · 12/07/2023 07:13

You’ve been very patient so far. How often is this happening?

It really doesn’t sound like he’s got a healthy relationship with alcohol. The old ‘everyone does it’ statement - as though he has no choice in his behaviour.

knowsmorethansnow · 12/07/2023 07:15

I'm surprised your child care allows him to collect after alcohol. Any settings I have worked in wouldn't release a child to someone you could smell alcohol on.

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 07:15

It happens quite regularly, at its worst it could be a few times in one week, at best maybe just a couple of times a month.

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peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 07:17

I worry about this but don't think anyone has ever noticed - he's collected from various settings on many occasions. Other people may not know, I don't think he will necessarily smell of beer. I know because I know his demeanor and the subtle changes after a drink. But this is why I wonder if I'm overreacting.

However aside from annoying mistakes which I can overlook, he has made errors with things like medicine dosages (tbh he will make these errors regardless but having a drink makes it worse).

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Ahdinnaeken1 · 12/07/2023 07:19

What an absolute bore for you, and not healthy at all for the kids to be around.

It doesn’t sound like he sees an issue so either you need to sit down and have a serious discussion, or you need to decide if this is what you want from your life.

BrunoMarzipan · 12/07/2023 07:22

Do you mean medicine dosages of Calpol etc incorrectly for your kids?

does he have any redeeming features? I know it's hard to say when you're in a relationship with someone but it sounds like he's either in the pub, or moody. Don't waste your life on someone that seems really selfish.

ZekeZeke · 12/07/2023 07:26

Ultimatum time. Stop drinking or pack your bags

JonahAndTheSnail · 12/07/2023 07:28

YANBU, he needs to find coping mechanisms which don't involve alcohol. Has he ever sought help for his depression?

I do think if he's drinking before collecting the kids, it's highly likely other parents and the childcare staff will be able to smell the beer on him. It sounds like your kids are too young at the moment to understand his behaviour, but if your eldest is 8 they may be starting to get an inkling something is amiss. I think you're right to think about how it could affect them in the future if his drinking continues.

adviceneeded1990 · 12/07/2023 07:32

knowsmorethansnow · 12/07/2023 07:15

I'm surprised your child care allows him to collect after alcohol. Any settings I have worked in wouldn't release a child to someone you could smell alcohol on.

I’m surprised at this too - I’m a teacher and on two occasions this year I can think of we’ve refused to release a child to a parent where they had noticeably had a drink. One was staggering around shouting, very obviously under the influence. The other was subtle, a smell and glazed over eyes, but we couldn’t take the risk. Eventually you’ll get a call asking you to attend a collection because your DH is unfit to release children to, and that can snowball into social services intervention etc. I’d be talking to him about how if he must drink there are appropriate places and times - child free, no more responsibilities that day, etc.

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 07:36

adviceneeded1990 · 12/07/2023 07:32

I’m surprised at this too - I’m a teacher and on two occasions this year I can think of we’ve refused to release a child to a parent where they had noticeably had a drink. One was staggering around shouting, very obviously under the influence. The other was subtle, a smell and glazed over eyes, but we couldn’t take the risk. Eventually you’ll get a call asking you to attend a collection because your DH is unfit to release children to, and that can snowball into social services intervention etc. I’d be talking to him about how if he must drink there are appropriate places and times - child free, no more responsibilities that day, etc.

I've tried to say these things to him but he doesn't think it's an issue or that anyone will notice. We have previous SS involvement and current CAMHS involvement and this is one of my bigger worries.

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BittenontheBum · 12/07/2023 07:43

You obviously don't have to explain SS involvement on here but it doesn't sound like you want them back in your life?
Please protect your kids from his moods. From experience kids do pick up on this and it's crap for them.
He isn't yet (or may never be ready) to ask for or want help with alcohol consumption but you are.
Speak to Alanon or any of the other support groups.
I hope you and your kids get to be happy 🌺

Ponoka7 · 12/07/2023 07:48

Are you honest to CAMHS about your husband's drinking and mood swings? If not then you are enabling and colluding in his behaviour. What's Christmas like? I think that it's time to rethink the relationship, your children will be walking on eggshells otherwise.

PuppyMcPupFace · 12/07/2023 07:50

AlAnon meetings to help you, ultimatums and reasoning with someone about their drinking are a waste of breath.

Coraline353 · 12/07/2023 07:51

He's not in control of his drinking. It's awful that he has PTSD to deal with but alcohol as a crutch is not sustainable and none of this is your problem to fix.

My advice for you is to get some support from AlAnon and the services you're already working with and get some distance between you and your DH. He cannot live with you and your children like this.

You're minimising it because he says it's normal. It's really not.

junebirthdaygirl · 12/07/2023 07:54

Is he driving with the dc over the legal limit or does he walk to get them? He is a problem drinker if he cannot stay sober the few times he is left in charge of the dc. He doesn't get to decide your feelings on his drinking. You are not comfortable with it, he is nasty and in a bad mood next morning..all of that is genuine for you and you need to listen to your own heart. It's not the life you want for yourself or the dc.

Didimum · 12/07/2023 08:06

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. My dad had a similar relationship with alcohol (certainly no worse) and was diagnosed with alcohol related cirrhosis three years ago. He just passed away from it last week. He was in his mid 60s. His two best friends, in the same circle who behaved the same, also died of cirrhosis - one in their 50s, the other early 60s. I think it should be taken very seriously indeed. There is no cure for cirrhosis, no improving it and will give you a prognosis of 2-10yrs. Drinkers never think it will happen to them, but it inevitably will. There was a poster on here last month whose husband had been diagnosed in his 40s.

Thesenderofthiscard · 12/07/2023 08:09

Friend was in a similar situation- young child with a partner who drank like that.
he has childhood issues etc TBH I think that anyone who drinks like this is dealing with some kind of emotional trauma or Depression or PTSD or similar

she told him - it’s drink or us. He went off an a bender for a few weeks, stayed with friends and came back saying I
choose you.

that was a decade ago and he’s never touched a drop. He filled the time with fitness and exercise and took up a sport that he’s borderline obsessed with. But as friend put it - he has a addiction to feed, a mind to quieten and endless running/sport is waaayyyy better than any alternative.

I’ve only known him sober and he’s a lovely, funny, patient, involved father who lives for his family, friends and sport.

peeinthepool · 12/07/2023 08:14

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peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 08:16

Thesenderofthiscard · 12/07/2023 08:09

Friend was in a similar situation- young child with a partner who drank like that.
he has childhood issues etc TBH I think that anyone who drinks like this is dealing with some kind of emotional trauma or Depression or PTSD or similar

she told him - it’s drink or us. He went off an a bender for a few weeks, stayed with friends and came back saying I
choose you.

that was a decade ago and he’s never touched a drop. He filled the time with fitness and exercise and took up a sport that he’s borderline obsessed with. But as friend put it - he has a addiction to feed, a mind to quieten and endless running/sport is waaayyyy better than any alternative.

I’ve only known him sober and he’s a lovely, funny, patient, involved father who lives for his family, friends and sport.

Oh wow, amazing to hear he turned it around for his family! DH will take small steps but it always goes back to this. I do think he needs to find a more healthy 'crutch'.

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peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 08:18

Didimum · 12/07/2023 08:06

I don’t think you’re being unreasonable. My dad had a similar relationship with alcohol (certainly no worse) and was diagnosed with alcohol related cirrhosis three years ago. He just passed away from it last week. He was in his mid 60s. His two best friends, in the same circle who behaved the same, also died of cirrhosis - one in their 50s, the other early 60s. I think it should be taken very seriously indeed. There is no cure for cirrhosis, no improving it and will give you a prognosis of 2-10yrs. Drinkers never think it will happen to them, but it inevitably will. There was a poster on here last month whose husband had been diagnosed in his 40s.

I'm so sorry for your loss. I worry for DH and his friends and their health. I don't think any of them truly understand how dangerous the regular/heavy drinking is.

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peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 08:19

Ponoka7 · 12/07/2023 07:48

Are you honest to CAMHS about your husband's drinking and mood swings? If not then you are enabling and colluding in his behaviour. What's Christmas like? I think that it's time to rethink the relationship, your children will be walking on eggshells otherwise.

I have been honest yes. But my version is different to his and he's reluctant to engage with them or take any support offers, he just thinks he's being judged.

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peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 08:20

junebirthdaygirl · 12/07/2023 07:54

Is he driving with the dc over the legal limit or does he walk to get them? He is a problem drinker if he cannot stay sober the few times he is left in charge of the dc. He doesn't get to decide your feelings on his drinking. You are not comfortable with it, he is nasty and in a bad mood next morning..all of that is genuine for you and you need to listen to your own heart. It's not the life you want for yourself or the dc.

He doesn't drive fortunately. Walking/public transport. Our youngest is a bolter though so I worry about his ability to look after them!

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peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 08:21

Thanks for the AlAnon tips

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zurala · 12/07/2023 08:24

He's an alcoholic. You both need to accept that. Then you have to decide if you want to live with an alcoholic, because he's unlikely to change given all you've said. I'm sorry, it's horrible, but you need to make a decision because he isn't going to change.

pizzaHeart · 12/07/2023 08:27

Your DH is alcoholic. Yes, he is in the beginning but he is firmly on the way. He can’t control his drinking and can’t resist it and drinks regularly in inappropriate situations ( e.g while collecting kids)
My dad was alcoholic - the signs are there for me. I think you need to put it plainly : alcohol or family. It won’t improve otherwise, it might not go downhill too much but it affected your family life and would affect further. Sorry.

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