Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

About DH drinking

50 replies

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 07:02

I don't drink so looking for some more rounded opinions on this. Will try to keep it brief.

DH enjoys a drink but has a tendency to drink too much and doesn't know his limits. I'm just talking beer, nothing stronger.

Out with friends - fine. Gets a bit embarrassing once he reaches the drunk point but whatever, think that's pretty normal (and certainly is for others I know of his generation - 40s/50s).

However, what bothers me is he will go to the pub alone and have 3-4 pints and this then has an impact on his mood, both in terms of his anxiety/depression and in terms of the way he's able to cope (or not) with things, especially family life.

He does this when he's either feeling low already, or stressed, or is just at a loose end. He'll choose to do it instead of spending time with the family. He does it before collecting the children from childcare (both under 8).

Drinking regularly, and heavily, and as a coping mechanism, is fairly common in his wider friendship group. I'm a decade younger and it's less common among my friends/peers, many of whom either don't drink at all or are comfortable either drinking or not in social situations. Whenever we do anything as a family, it always seems to have to involve beer. I try hard not to comment as it's not my place to dictate what he does to enjoy himself but I wish we could just enjoy ourselves without going to a pub from time to time.

He is secretive about when he goes to pubs but I always know because I've known him long enough that I know the signs. He becomes less communicative by text, more forgetful, more irritable with me/the kids and has trouble sleeping, then often is horny the following day and gets frustrated by this especially as I'm rarely in the mood having experienced all the above the day prior! I don't enjoy his company at all when he's been drinking, he can be not only irritable but sometimes actively nasty to me, provoking me into arguments and so on. He lacks any patience with the kids which makes it stressful at home. And it's a cycle which keeps getting repeated, again and again.

Earlier this week I was out after work for the evening. He had some time between work and collecting the kids. He went very quiet and wasn't replying to texts until later in the evening. I suspect/know that he went for a drink, and by that I mean probably 3-4 pints. He has said nothing about this, hasn't mentioned he had a drink, but I'm 90% sure if I asked to see his bank statement it would show he did, as he was very down the following day, irritable, not sleeping well etc. As I say, I just know him and I know.

I'm uncomfortable with him being in charge of the kids after a drink and have told him this but he dismisses me and says it's normal and all parents do it. I don't drink any more but even if I did, would certainly never have more than one or two drinks if I was in sole charge of the kids (he doesn't drive but it's his impaired judgement and tendency to be easily irritated/frustrated which bother me).

He has acknowledged the solo drinking isn't helpful for his mood, and has made efforts not to do it, but always seems to return to it.

However, I don't know if I'm being unreasonable and whether actually this is a totally normal thing and I should get off my sober high horse.

So AIBU?

And if I'm not, how do I talk to him about this? I'm trying hard to accept it as part of him but increasingly I'm wondering if this is just something I can't live with any more, and if it's never going to change, I'm not sure I want to be in the relationship - or subjecting the kids to it.

OP posts:
Emmamoo89 · 12/07/2023 08:29

zurala · 12/07/2023 08:24

He's an alcoholic. You both need to accept that. Then you have to decide if you want to live with an alcoholic, because he's unlikely to change given all you've said. I'm sorry, it's horrible, but you need to make a decision because he isn't going to change.

IME alcoholics can change. They need the right support

Hibiscrubbed · 12/07/2023 08:34

He goes to the pub to nail four pints before picking the children up from childcare? Jesus Christ.

That right there would be the dealbreaker. Disregarding everything else.

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/07/2023 08:34

He's an alcoholic.

And to be blunt with you, there's nothing you can do. He has to make the decision to stop on his own. Nothing you can do, no nagging, no pleading, no ultimatums, will change this. His primary relationship is with alcohol, not you and your kids. It will make a significant effort of will to change this and it's be no means guaranteed that it will work.

You have two choices at this point: either you accept that this is your life and you have to make peace with it, or you leave and take back the control. It's possible that when he realises what he has lost it may kick him into trying to sort himself out. But you can't count on this happening and that can't be the reason you do it. Do it for yourself and your children. It's a miserable life having an alcoholic as a spouse or a parent.

HappyintheHills · 12/07/2023 08:37

Yes he walks and talks like an alcoholic. Alcoholics can change but only if they recognise that it’s a real problem and they choose to do so.
The trouble is it takes hitting an all time low before that recognition hits.

DustyLee123 · 12/07/2023 08:37

He is an alcoholic, and being drunk in charge of the kids is a safeguarding issue. You need to protect your kids, and also you shouldn’t have to live like that.

DrManhattan · 12/07/2023 08:43

Hes addicted. Its a very addictive substance.

I wouldn't have my kids around that. Leave him and do yourself and your children a favour.

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 09:18

Thanks for your comments and advice. Need to have a conversation with him again, clearly.

OP posts:
TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 12/07/2023 11:27

All else aside he must be spending a fortune - hundreds if not thousands per year.

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 11:32

TimeFlysWhenYoureHavingRum · 12/07/2023 11:27

All else aside he must be spending a fortune - hundreds if not thousands per year.

Yes, this is an issue too.

OP posts:
Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/07/2023 13:28

YANBU you need to safeguard your children.

If you need to do something, I would say to him - will you remain sober or will I hire a babysitter at your expense?

It's absolutely not safe to look after toddlers after 4 pints, even if he tolerates them well because he drinks so much

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/07/2023 13:29

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 09:18

Thanks for your comments and advice. Need to have a conversation with him again, clearly.

Definitely and be very clear and stern

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/07/2023 13:30

Thepeopleversuswork · 12/07/2023 08:34

He's an alcoholic.

And to be blunt with you, there's nothing you can do. He has to make the decision to stop on his own. Nothing you can do, no nagging, no pleading, no ultimatums, will change this. His primary relationship is with alcohol, not you and your kids. It will make a significant effort of will to change this and it's be no means guaranteed that it will work.

You have two choices at this point: either you accept that this is your life and you have to make peace with it, or you leave and take back the control. It's possible that when he realises what he has lost it may kick him into trying to sort himself out. But you can't count on this happening and that can't be the reason you do it. Do it for yourself and your children. It's a miserable life having an alcoholic as a spouse or a parent.

I agree, sadly this is correct

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/07/2023 13:30

I would show him evidence you've known he's lied before and start asking to do breathalyzer when he's been looking after kids

Supernova23 · 12/07/2023 13:42

Is the 3-4 pints daily? what I will say about alcoholics is that they tend to underestimate how much they drink. So if they say they drink 3-4 pints, it's probably more than that.

peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 21:16

Supernova23 · 12/07/2023 13:42

Is the 3-4 pints daily? what I will say about alcoholics is that they tend to underestimate how much they drink. So if they say they drink 3-4 pints, it's probably more than that.

Not daily no, just whenever he has a drink. Sometimes only once a week, this week it's been daily since Saturday.

He doesn't tell me how much, I guess based on his behaviour. Could be 5-6 for all I know.

OP posts:
peskykiddds · 12/07/2023 21:17

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 12/07/2023 13:30

I would show him evidence you've known he's lied before and start asking to do breathalyzer when he's been looking after kids

Not sure how I get evidence without snooping on his phone though...

OP posts:
zurala · 12/07/2023 22:33

Emmamoo89 · 12/07/2023 08:29

IME alcoholics can change. They need the right support

Yes they can but only if they accept what they are and want to change. This man isn't there. Hence why I said what I said. I was talking about him specifically, not all alcoholics.

mathanxiety · 12/07/2023 23:55

YABU to think what he's doing isn't a complete deal breaker.

He is an alcoholic.

You need to make plans to get yourself and your children separated from him.

Talk to a solicitor.
Investigate your benefits.

peskykiddds · 05/10/2023 15:07

Me again.

Things have been up and down. Last week I was out for a meal after work, DH didn't text hardly at all all evening (he normally texts a lot, when he doesn't it's usually because he's been drinking). He picked the kids up and took them out for food (in a pub) is what he told me. However judging by his mood the next day I knew he'd drunk more than the one pint he told me about.

I did an awful thing and checked his online banking when he'd left his phone in another room. Looks like he had three pints at one pub and three at another BEFORE collecting the kids, then whatever he had while he was with them.

I'm gutted that he's continuing to lie to me, gutted at the sheer amount of money he's spending on beer (all his money since payday which was recent), gutted that he's being this irresponsible. We were in a professional health meeting just last week where he told them he was no longer drinking before collecting the kids except for maybe one pint which we all agreed was okay.

I can't tell him I know without telling him I've invaded his privacy. But I can't trust him to be alone with the kids. What do I do?

OP posts:
BigDahliaFan · 05/10/2023 15:32

Look at Al Anon, have a look at what it says about alcoholism. Others on here might not agree, but it's secretive etc.

Also, is this what you want from a partnership/

TheCatterall · 05/10/2023 15:42

So basically he still has a problem with alcohol and is lying to yourself and the professional health team that could have serious ramifications on your family unit..

he can be in as much denial as he wants - but let’s call a spade a spade - he is an alcoholic. Functioning maybe but that’s what he is.

How can you trust him with children when he may have had 8-9 pints by the w d of the meal with them?!

I would get advice from Al-anon or similar in how to broach it and am what to do.

personally the trust would be gone for me and I’d be making back up plans for separation if you don’t see serious efforts made to stop drinking permanently and to get help for his moods/depression/anxiety whatever his excuse for drinking was.

if he refuses I’d be telling the professionals the real level of his drinking and he’s be gone and only allowed supervised access to the children as he can’t be trusted with them in his card to be sober.

peskykiddds · 05/10/2023 15:48

He has been making efforts both with drinking and mental health. The problem is that I don't have any proof for what happened last week or the extent of his drinking when in charge of the kids as obviously it happens when I'm not here. I do know that when he's been drinking and comes home, he can be very chaotic and disordered, and is mean to me - and upsets the eldest child with things he says. Not being nasty exactly but winding them up, making back handed comments etc. That's the only 'evidence' I have. I do know him well enough to know when he's had a drink but won't know how many unless I'm with him.

OP posts:
peskykiddds · 05/10/2023 15:49

Yes I think I need to seek advice.

OP posts:
TheCatterall · 05/10/2023 16:48

You don’t need proof for yourself to end the relationship or tell him it’s last chance saloon - you just ‘know. You don’t need to make a case against him. Just keep repeating - I know when you’ve been drinking. It’s obvious with how you behave and act and treat us. I’ve had enough.

to others - you don’t need to prove. You can make the statement and it’s up to him to prove with his blood tests/bank statements etc that he’s not drinking. Alcoholism can effect long term blood results.

again speak to al anon - but you don’t have to prove anything to anyone. You need to decide where to draw the line in this relationship with how it’s impacting you and the children.

Pumpkinpie1 · 22/10/2023 11:11

Why are you enabling him OP ? Financially his wage is going on drink. He’s unreliable and bordering unsafe with your kids
to the extent SS and agencies are involved

What are you gaining from this relationship

New posts on this thread. Refresh page