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Boris Johnson WhatsApp Messages

30 replies

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 11:09

AIBU to be annoyed that the BBC (and possibly other media outlets) don't have this as headline news?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-covid-inquiry-whatsapps-b2372638.html

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EmmaPaella · 11/07/2023 11:11

Agree. Conveniently, there is another headline story.

GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 11:13

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 11:09

AIBU to be annoyed that the BBC (and possibly other media outlets) don't have this as headline news?

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-covid-inquiry-whatsapps-b2372638.html

If you are then I am too. The government lost in the High Court and no one seems to acknowledge how much of a big deal it is. Oh for a General Election tomorrow…

stbrandonsboat · 11/07/2023 11:16

I don't really think anyone expected anything other than this. Everyone knows they're a bunch of villains, there's nothing we can do.

Anaemiafog · 11/07/2023 11:17

No one is surprised.

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 16:19

But surely if this has been ruled by the High Court, there needs to be consequences...??

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GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 16:24

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 16:19

But surely if this has been ruled by the High Court, there needs to be consequences...??

You’d hope but then this is a government that brought a legal challenge against its own inquiry! Either they appeal or they hand over the WhatsApps for the period specified - ironically Boris said he was happy to do it. All a shitshow.

beeonmybonnett · 11/07/2023 16:25

This interests me - what’s to stop Boris deleting the WhatsApp messages?

GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 16:33

beeonmybonnett · 11/07/2023 16:25

This interests me - what’s to stop Boris deleting the WhatsApp messages?

Well there will already be a ‘gap’ as apparently he had to get a new phone in April 2021, so messages from the start of the pandemic are apparently not retrievable…

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 19:10

It really is a shitshow 🤬

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Bellajac · 11/07/2023 19:11

It is but people seem more interested in the sex life of a tv presenter. Bizarre.

GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 19:55

Bellajac · 11/07/2023 19:11

It is but people seem more interested in the sex life of a tv presenter. Bizarre.

Yup, the world is upside down.

lljkk · 11/07/2023 20:09

most of that story I heard a month or so ago. Not so much "new" in news

LlynTegid · 11/07/2023 20:14

Of course Mr Johnson does not want to hand over the messages. It will reveal who he'd like to fill the vacancy for a mistress, given that he has lost the opportunity to stare at Laura Kuennsberg's breasts (as he did every time he was interviewed by her).

GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 20:17

LlynTegid · 11/07/2023 20:14

Of course Mr Johnson does not want to hand over the messages. It will reveal who he'd like to fill the vacancy for a mistress, given that he has lost the opportunity to stare at Laura Kuennsberg's breasts (as he did every time he was interviewed by her).

Not true, he actually backed the release of the messages. But knowing, as he did, that they wouldn’t span the whole of the pandemic. He genuinely disagreed with the governments approach. Not that his words or deeds are worth anything anyway.

GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 20:19

lljkk · 11/07/2023 20:09

most of that story I heard a month or so ago. Not so much "new" in news

Erm, the judgement came out five days ago. Definitely new news.

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 20:45

Bellajac · 11/07/2023 19:11

It is but people seem more interested in the sex life of a tv presenter. Bizarre.

But isn't this partly because it's the story the news outlets (esp the BBC) are focusing on?
And I wonder why the BBC aren't focusing on Boris... 🤔

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lljkk · 11/07/2023 22:30

These are the bits of the news story I feel like I've known for weeks:

Boris Johnson is still in possession of his old mobile phone containing crucial WhatsApp messages despite a strict deadline set by the Covid inquiry for all relevant material.

It was explained ages ago repeatedly by many (journalists etc) that this release would be difficult because the phone is compromised.

Rishi Sunak’s government was unable to hand over the former PM’s previous phone – which contains vital Covid-era messages up until May 2021 – by Monday’s deadline.

sEe above, the phone has dodgy spyware on it. Numpty wasn't careful with it.

The Covid inquiry chair Baroness Hallett had given the Cabinet Office until 4pm to hand over Mr Johnson’s WhatsApps, notebooks and diaries after the government lost its legal challenge in a “humiliating” court defeat last week.

I didn't know the deadline but I knew the deadline might well be missed.

Both No 10 and the Cabinet Office pointed to Mr Johnson – saying he had not handed over the phone in time for the messages to be accessed and given to the inquiry.

So that was predicted weeks ago

However, Mr Johnson’s office said his team was still working with government security officials on how best to switch on the old phone – insisting he wanted to “cooperate fully” with the inquiry. He was forced to turn the device off and switch to a new mobile in May 2021 after a security breach: it emerged his number had been freely available online for 15 years.
Rishi Sunak and Boris Johnson have been at odds over Covid inquiry

I can't stand BoJo but he has cooperated better with Inquiry than Sunak's lot. Weeks ago that was apparent.

The government had fought the request from inquiry chairwoman Baroness Heather Hallett to release unredacted documents – arguing it should not have to hand over material that is “unambiguously irrelevant”.

Stances govt & Hallett had weeks ago, no change there.

But the argument was dismissed by High Court judges last week, who said the fact an order for material would produce “some irrelevant documents” did not “invalidate” it or mean it “cannot be lawfully exercised”.

Aha! something new. To me anyway. Also new was the rest after that, about Norn CMO & Arlene Foster & Michele O'Neill. About 110 words of a 600 word article.

Northernsouloldies · 11/07/2023 22:34

TrustPenguins · 11/07/2023 16:19

But surely if this has been ruled by the High Court, there needs to be consequences...??

Scotland is no different just a different set of crooks and liars dressed up in a saltire flag instead of a British flag.

Puffykins · 11/07/2023 22:38

I can't get over the fact that none of them seem to know how to turn the phone on. There's a BUTTON.

CrustyWingshield · 11/07/2023 23:02

They will use the security breach as an excuse for the ones at the start of the pandemic, but I've heard that there are very simple ways around that issue (although I can't recall what it was). It's definitely dodgy.

Perhaps if we all start speculating random shit that's worse than what is on the phones online they will hand them over, but it would have to be pretty bad looking at how they have desperately avoided it.

They are all narcissistic crooks and the messages will show it probably.

LastTrainEast · 11/07/2023 23:30

Are people expecting to find in them an admission that Boris created Covid in his secret Chinese lab?

Or perhaps that he poisoned the vaccines?

Notonthestairs · 11/07/2023 23:39

Doesn't really matter what we expected to find it not.
He's ignored a court order.
There are generally consequences for that.

GwinCoch · 11/07/2023 23:43

I don’t think it will be a surprise. One rule for him, another for others. That is how he had lived his life outside of covid!

Blossomtoes · 11/07/2023 23:44

Today was a good day to bury bad news. Christ only knows what else has happened when we were being told to look over there ➡️