To go to headteacher about child being pinned to floor

[Fruittwist12]

There has already been many concerns with DS school. I raised a concern with the head regarding what the teacher and TA had said to my son 2 weeks ago and still have not had a response.
Today he has come home and said the 1:1 in his class has pinned down her pupil. They are Yr 2. Apparently he said that the pupil was being disruptive and walking around the class and shouting. They were not a danger to the class or to themselves from what my son has said. However the pupil was pupil was pinned on the floor laying down at the front of the class for their unacceptable behaviour. A parent has witnessed this 1:1 shouting at their pupil for no big reason whilst on a school trip. This child is a LAC.
I've read the school policy and states that restraining is the last thing to do and only if they are a danger to themselves or to others. I've been increasingly concerned about his class anyway. Aibu to raise this with the head or stay out of it? I don't feel like my son should be witnessing this and other violent behaviour from another child in the class.

Did you see the incident?

If not, why do you want to get involved with a situation that doesn't concern you?

Do you really think your 6/7 year old had a better understanding of what was happening than the teachers and staff in the room?

I think you need to get a grip tbh and stop trying to invent issues with the school. You were not present and it has nothing to do with you whatsoever, so you would be well advised to stay well out of it.

Uep, keep your beak
out.

Move you son, if the school is no good.

I think you need to be realistic that it's far, far more likely that your 7 year old made this up than that a teacher pinned a child to the floor.

It's worth raising that your son is concerned about this, because perceived unfairness filtering through to the kids is a valid cause for concern. I'd steer clear of directly commenting on appropriateness of the 1-1 though given that you don't actually know anything about that.

Why would they make up a child was pinned to the floor. I saw the child's parent being taken to the office with the 1:1 at pick up. So something happened.

You say it doesn't concern me. Well it does because stuff has been said to my DS thar was not ok 2 weeks ago. And I'm concerned about what is actually happening in the classroom that my DS is having to witness. In previous years he's been fine to go to school. This year he has been crying and anxious to go into school.

Don't interfere, the child has a 1:1 for a good reason. Your child in yr2 cannot possibly understand the situation. It could be they felt the child was a danger to themselves at the time. But as you where not there you have no knowledge of the incident.

I work in a high school and have worked in primary. I have seen young children restrained by 1:1's it's a really hard job to have to do and they will have had specialist handerling training. Those of us who haven't are not allowed to do this.

However, Safeguarding dictates that this is absolutely something that should be reported and investigated. There could be several children all saying the same happened to this child in class today - if each parent independently reports it, that gives further credence to the concern.

The school will know what happened. You don’t need to but in

Your 7yo doesn't have the view of an adult when it comes to his safety or the safety of his classmates. The LSA is more likely to know the potential consequences of not getting the child under control. The LSA will be able to predict an escalation and therefore take proactive rather than reactive action.

In an ideal world your son wouldn't be seeing this behaviour in the classroom. But the other child has a right to an education too. There are very few places in alternative provision, so we find ourselves (as a country) with pupils in mainstream that struggle to cope. This is the fault of the government.

You can ask about your own child's safety. You have no right to comment on anything else.

I presume the class teacher was also there ?

What was said to your DS @Fruittwist12 ?

If it happened then the school will follow protocol.

All you can do is make yourself a list of the issues your child is having in enjoying school and manage that with the teachers. It's possible that things such as this which he is witnessing contribute to that list, but you need to check whether it happened if you plan on including it.

You do you. If you are not happy with the school, remove your child.

I'm not saying the child doesn't have a right to education @Hercisback I'm actually concerned for that child. As I've said another parent has witnessed this 1:1 snapping and shouting at this child when they thought it uncalled for.

@YetMoreNewBeginnings the teachers didn't inform me of incidents at school involving my son or communicate that my son had written that he felt unsafe in school because of a pupil in his class. I raised it with the teacher and asked for communication between us as my DS said he hates his life atm because or going to school. He's been very distressed recently which is unlike him. The teacher and another TA told my DS it was his fault because he failed to tell me that they had spoke to him at school and told him I felt the school weren't doing much to help him

Oh I wish it was that easy trust me. I've looked at other schools. His dad doesn't want to and I need his permission to do so

Well it does because stuff has been said to my DS thar was not ok 2 weeks ago.

What stuff? If you’re concerned about that-speak to the teacher about it.

When I was about 7 I told my mum I got run over by a tractor

If a parent has actually witnessed a staff member inappropriately shouting at a child that parent should take it to the designated safeguarding lead at the school, which may well be the Headteacher. It is reasonable (in fact imperative) to raise concerns about the behaviour of a teacher or TA towards a child.

But you aren’t a witness to this and a y2 child really can’t understand the situation (and staff probably tried to shield the class from the reality as far as possible) so given all you have is hearsay I’d say nothing. At very most I’d raise it as “my child is concerned this happened, please can you help me reassure him about it”, you really aren’t in a position to question whether the restraint was appropriate.

Has your complaint about your own child been resolved? If not I’d focus on that.

I really think you need to stop being "that parent" who complains about every little thing. Just because someone said something to your child that you didn't like, that's a massive jump to them using unreasonable force on a child. In a classroom with 2 adults, this seems very unlikely. There are procedures that have to be followed and tons of paperwork after using restraint, and they are only used as a last resort. You don't know what the child was doing or whether they were a danger to anyone or to themself.

If the parent was called into the head's office then the head is aware this restraint was used and will have the full details about what happened. You as a third party getting secondhand information from through a child's eyes doesn't add to what they know. Realistically, complaining will achieve nothing except making the school stop listening to you because you're constantly complaining like the boy who cried wolf.

I really think you're looking for reasons to complain and if you're this unhappy with the school and have lost trust to this extent, you need to look at moving your child.

NO adult in school is going to restrain any child unnecessarily. In my 14 year career I have never done so and only witnessed it once in the most extreme of cases.

If the parent went to the Head's office after school then presumably the incident was discussed and dealt with. It's not your business.

No it's been 2 weeks I last heard from him.

Me and the head don't have a great relationship anyway due to other things that have happened in the past and having to involve the governors

Exactly in the most extreme cases. I can't see why walking around and shouting is an extreme case.

I feel like people are saying how does my 7 year old know. But he's not dumb. All he said was she was pinned to the floor after walking around and shouting. He didn't make a massive drama or story of it.