Teacher and sports coach swearing at children

[Vincent05]

If a sports coach swore at children in a threatening manner, ie “fucking little shits” fuck off you are fucking useless, or called one a wanker , what would you expect the sporting body to do about it. If this sports coach was also a teacher what would you expect the school to do about it? Bearing in mind it happened outside of school. Thoughts please

Ok, this fits with what I was told about some awful things that had gone on regarding a pony club coach who was also a teacher, and the Fbook post I got sent.

From the BBC article it looked as if people wanted this to go away.

You can contact the LADO directly yourself.

LADO only oversee investigations, the original body gathers all the evidence for them

Yeah, investigating yourself is a great way to go....

If the original body is in sole charge of gathering evidence, that's not going to lead to problems - ever!

I'd have thought that there would be zero tolerance on swearing at children anyway??

It appears to be encouraged in PC!!!!

I don't agree with this at all. I have taught in both sectors, and my teaching style didn't vary between the two.
There was certainly no abusive language used in either sector.
There have been reports of abuse in the private sector but mostly these were boarding schools, and not recent cases.
I think it's far less likely today, when children can phone or text their parents.

I doubt that!

I have worked as a LADO, although the LADO oversees the process there is an expectation that the LA is reassured. The investigation report should be shared with LADO and LADO can take it up with regulatory bodies if needed.

But if a LADO relies on the regulatory body to provide all the investigation results, how is there any guarantee of independence - or truth?

My experience of both state and private is that actually the state schools were held to higher standards than the private school both in terms of behaviour and teaching standards. The worst teaching I’ve experienced was actually private!!!

They dont. They have a managing allegations meeting and decide who will investigate usually employer. This investigation is shared with LADO. LADO remains neutral and can offer feedback on this report and contact regulatory bodies if needed. LADO then stays involved until all actions completed including referral to DBS or TRA.

Isn't this just how private schools achieve such high standards? I always thought this is what people are paying for when they send their kids to these places.

If the child is scared of the teacher, they may well not report it, and it is clear the teacher did swear at children-according to the BBC.

So it's possible that the body complained about can be in charge of investigating itself?

As a mum of a horsey teen who competes - horsey people are generally not nice people and any kid competing in this sport needs to have a very thick skin. I don't think a complaint would be taken seriously.

Bit harsh if the school don't know how the teacher has been behaving. And no way would anyone approve of swearing as a motivating tool. Not these days anyway!

That's a heck of a generalisation! I disagree completely with that, although there are without doubt some really unpleasant people. Anyone who lets a teacher swear at kids is reprehensible.

ISI independent schools inspectorate or Department of Education DFE for the role of a teacher as comes under LADO threshold of suitability to work with children and young people. I would also argue that it poses a risk of emotional harm.

The employer should carry out the investigation. It can be hard if the person is self employed as this classes as mannerless organisation. However, the concerns need addressing. LADO can then speak to the individual. I would also be looking at transferable risk and expecting school to also be involved.

I don't think calling someone a little shit would cause anyone "emotional harm". Any high level sport has shouty demanding and often mean coaches. I don't even think it's equestrian-sport specific.

That shouldnt even feature in assessing whether the concern should be looked at. Any child should be able to be part of any sport. Thick skin shouldn’t be a requisite. The reported behaviour is unacceptable and damaging and made worse by the fact this person is a teacher.

I’m talking about OP post. Just because it’s high level does mean a child should not be treated with dignity. Let’s look at the recent gymnastics investigations.

Always screen shot things so you have proof. You can call your LA safeguarding team....LADO

Hi level sport? What? So it's ok to swear at children then?