@Delatron not sure why you keep misreading/misrepresenting what’s being said. If someone dies ten months after having a Covid infection of a stroke, is Covid infection or stroke listed as immediate cause of death?
But now please consider that the Covid infection itself increased the risk of heart attack and stroke in the year following infection. Which means sadly, some excess deaths from cardiovascular events will be linked to an earlier Covid infection. This isn’t controversial.
Now look at the excess death figures in the context of this. Consider the impact of poverty, NHS pressure, lockdown MH trauma as well. But please factor in the well-known fact that Covid infection itself is a proven risk factor. Yes, even for at least a whole year after the person isn’t testing positive.
If you will not even contemplate this, then it’s clear you are refusing to consider the impact of a virus which has infected millions and causes cardiovascular damage (and multi-organ systemic silent damage) other than during the days or weeks of initial acute infection.
This is telling.
I literally linked to the British Heart Foundation who wrote about 100k excess deaths and I ringed the part where they said
“But while deaths from Covid-19 have since fallen year-on-year, the number of deaths involving cardiovascular disease have remained high above expected levels
We believe that there are now other major factors likely driving the continued increase in excess deaths involving cardiovascular disease, including the severe, ongoing disruption to NHS heart care, and Covid-19 increasing the risk of heart attack and stroke.”
https://www.bhf.org.uk/what-we-do/news-from-the-bhf/news-archive/2023/june/100000-excess-deaths-cardiovascular-disease
I also linked one of the definitive studies on the effect of Covid on the body after the initial infection upthread too.
Very odd that you will only consider lockdowns and NHS pressure as involved in excess death but not the virus which infected millions and is known to increase the risk of heart attacks and strokes months and years after the initial infection. Yes, even in the young. A small percentage of a large number of people is still a significant number.
Of course at no point did I say 000s of young people were dropping dead each month from Covid infections. Please stop using hyperbole and straw men. What I said is excess deaths are up including 20-44 cohort, which you can see for yourself.
I supplied info re Covid affects on the body inc heightened cardiovascular risks in the months and years after infections, (as well as considering lockdown & NHS pressure). Plenty of other people on the thread have shared their devastating experiences with long Covid and tragic bereavement.
Teenager does indeed go to school. He masks inside. He chooses to. So does his best friend, the one with the mom having chemo who is CVE. There is no worry, no constant risk evaluation, it’s like putting on a seatbelt: on and done, barely notice.
I notice you won’t apparently consider that families might want to protect a CV member. Why not? I’ve pointed out 16,000 young people were orphaned earlier in thread. No reaction from you about that either.
The kids don’t mask at home, outside, at recess, or at the skate park or when hanging out in each other’s houses. In lots of countries, kids masked inside and some continue to do when protecting themselves or others. We are all vaccinated and boosted as well (so hardly zero immunity) but still taking steps to avoid infection whilst getting on with our lives. As I’ve explained; we have friends now disabled by Covid.
Perhaps you are an anti masker who doesn’t like to see people wearing masks because it upsets you? You are perhaps very invested in believing you and your family are going to be ok and you’ve suffered enough? Understandable belief.
That’s the only reason I can think of for why you’re so upset about other people choosing to use ffp as a protective tool in 2023. I can’t believe that you’re super mad that I don’t eat inside restaurants; plenty of other people don’t eat out either, for all sorts of reasons, and everything else - travel, arts, etc we can easily do wearing a respirator.
There’s a final part of this which is the publishing of ventilation levels using CO2 levels as proxy which Japan and Korea do which allows citizens to make more informed choices about eating inside, because they can assess risk (also better data on current infection levels). Using a CO2 monitor allows people to check ventilation levels inside. One of the reasons the Covid-aware/CV/Long Covid/disability community continues to advocate for clean air which greatly reduces risks.
Lockdown, living through Covid was undeniably traumatic and this thread is a testament to that.
Its not 2019 anymore. Life has changed, and lives, health, businesses, NHS, trust in institutions, have been lost, or badly damaged. I can totally see why people want to “go back to normal”. There are people who can’t, because they are suffering from long Covid and there are people who are dead. And there are people who want to resist the message that infection is inevitable and even good