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False allegation

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Becra · 02/07/2023 13:22

Could really do with some help with this as feel so stressed about it! My daughter is 12 and coming to the end of year 7. She’s good friends with a girl in her form and has known her for years - this girl is known to gossip but it’s always been quite innocent.
My daughter came home from school on Friday very upset as she had overheard her ‘friend’ telling another girl on the bus that my daughter had stolen something from Claire’s accessories. My daughter confronted her regarding this and the ‘friend’ started crying. The ‘friend’ denied that she had said this - she also denied this to the teacher. She got her mum to collect her from school as she was so upset. The people that overheard her say it were questioned by the teacher and wrote it down.
This escalated on Friday evening by the mother of this girl saying that she was very annoyed that she had to collect her daughter from school, and that her daughter wouldn’t lie. This friend had told her mum a different story though - that my daughter had actually stolen something from Primark. We questioned our daughter, she categorically denied it, and we would hope we hadn’t brought her up to do something like this. We felt (hope) we did the right thing and went to the two shops in question for when they opened on Saturday morning, with our daughter in tow. Primark confirmed that our daughter hadn’t stolen anything (we’d taken her receipt with us with the time on) - the manager said he was willing to speak to the school and confirm this. We then went to Claire’s accessories and they don’t even sell the item that she supposedly stole (blusher). I phoned the parents of this ‘friend’ and the mum eventually called me back. Even with the evidence we have, she’s still adamant that her daughter wouldn’t lie and that our daughter is a thief! I really don’t know what else to do. I’m left with my daughter not wanting to go to school tomorrow as she’s so upset that people will think she’s a thief. We personally think that even without the evidence, the fact that this ‘friend’ is saying two different shops to different people, and denying it to the teachers is testament to her guilt/lying. Any help/advice would be greatly appreciated though as it’s literally making me sick with worry! Thanks x

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NameChange245 · 02/07/2023 14:57

In my experience, when children make things up about others it's often to test the water and see what others think because, sometimes it's about the person themself having done the wrong deed. Eg. A girl tells mum that her 'friend' sent an explicit text - see mums reaction to gauge if she should fess up because it's actually her that sent it. Or a boy tells a friend that 'x pee'd on the floor' to test the reaction because actually it was them.

I'd wonder if, actually, the girl telling the lie has stolen something herself before and was testing the water to see how people would react. Given all the kerfuffle, I guess she has learnt that if it was her, she definitely shouldn't say anything. She also now has to go along with her lie because of all the problems she caused.

I'd advise DD to stay away from this girl, while also being aware that it may be the girl herself who has stolen something and there may be some complex dynamics in her home.

(I once worked with a girl, 'x' (in my professional role) who told me her friend 'y' was being sexually abused. We had to report to safeguarding etc.. to safeguard 'y'. Poor 'x' was branded a lier in the end because it wasn't true. Took us all ages to figure out that actually there was truth behind the story, it's just that the young person ('x') wasn't ready to say it was them who was the real victim, and she needed to test the water on her poor 'friend' instead).

'My friend did x' can, especially in 8 to 14 yr olds, mean 'i did x'.

CheezePleeze · 02/07/2023 14:57

What makes you think you're going to get an apology OP?

Jazzyjezzabelle · 02/07/2023 14:59

Becra · 02/07/2023 14:50

@knockyknees it did cross my mind but I just don’t understand what she’d gain from it. So long as our daughter gets an apology we’ll be happy. Hopefully this will teach the other girl an important life lesson too x

I think maybe you’re still too emotionally involved in this drama. It’s a spat between kids, honestly it’s not a big deal. Many of them will have shop lifted and worse, kids do that shit

Becra · 02/07/2023 15:00

@WonderfulUsername we do believe her - that was never in question and she knows that. We always tell our children to just always tell us the truth and we’ll deal with it from there, no matter how bad that would be. We’ve obviously done the wrong thing by agreeing to go. We all learn from our mistakes though x

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Becra · 02/07/2023 15:03

@NameChange245 oh gosh, this is so sad to read! Thank god for professionals like yourselves x

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NameChange245 · 02/07/2023 15:03

Becra · 02/07/2023 15:00

@WonderfulUsername we do believe her - that was never in question and she knows that. We always tell our children to just always tell us the truth and we’ll deal with it from there, no matter how bad that would be. We’ve obviously done the wrong thing by agreeing to go. We all learn from our mistakes though x

I don't think you did the wrong thing. You sound like a great mum trying to support your daughter. Sometimes Mumsnet can be a hard place to be! But you have done nothing wrong, don't give yourself a hard time OP 💐

Becra · 02/07/2023 15:04

Yes, I’ll hold my hands up and say I definitely am. I’m taking some of the great advice from this thread though and using it x

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DemonicCaveMaggot · 02/07/2023 15:06

You aren't going to get an apology, sadly, and I wouldn't push for one either. The best thing is that your DD gives this girl a wide swerve and has as little to do with her as she can going forward. I expect if you asked your DD she would remember other lies this girl had told about other people. Your DD won't be the last person she lies about either. I would point out to your DD that she needs to see how her friends treat other people. If they are nasty and gossipy about others, it will only be a matter of time before they are nasty and gossipy about her in the same way.

I doubt the children at school will remember this next week. If anyone says anything to her then it is probably best that she just roll her eyes and say 'I am not a thief, I don't know why that story is doing the rounds'. She shouldn't call the other girl a liar because that will just add to the drama.

A 'frenemy' of DD's made an accusation against her when she was 9 or 10. Fortunately it was provably false, but then the frenemy turned into a flat out enemy and it turned to bullying. We had to ask the school to keep them in separate classes going forward. You might need to think of that for your DD.

Becra · 02/07/2023 15:06

@CheezePleeze an apology is what should morally happen. This girl has lied. We’re not holding out much hope though. I think we will just need to draw a line under it and be happy in the knowledge that our daughter has told the truth x

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Becra · 02/07/2023 15:08

@NameChange245 that’s so kind of you to say, thank-you! Yes, I’ve gathered that much from some of the responses x

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Becra · 02/07/2023 15:10

@DemonicCaveMaggot i’m so sorry to hear that your daughter had to go through that. Yes, she’s aware of this and will be giving her a wide berth x

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RespectMacaroni · 02/07/2023 15:13

In my experience, you can get yourself tied up in knots with these teen dramas.

You can stress and call the school and text other mums and forbid your kids from seeing the lying toe-rags that have given you sleepless nights… and then in 2 months time, when you drive them up to McDonald’s to meet their mates for lunch, there is said toe-rag waiting and waving like nothing ever happened.

You say “I thought you had fallen out forever, because she did something unforgivable” and your teenager shrugs, grunts and tells you “it’s fine, mum” Then she leaves you bewildered and £20 poorer as she climbs out of your car and melts into a sea of crop tops and HD brows.

Becra · 02/07/2023 15:20

@RespectMacaroni this has made me smile! x

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contrary13 · 02/07/2023 16:42

"In my experience, when children make things up about others it's often to test the water and see what others think because, sometimes it's about the person themself having done the wrong deed. Eg. A girl tells mum that her 'friend' sent an explicit text - see mums reaction to gauge if she should fess up because it's actually her that sent it. Or a boy tells a friend that 'x pee'd on the floor' to test the reaction because actually it was them."

^^This, from @NameChange245 sums up my thoughts, more precisely.

@Becra , whilst I see why you went to the shops in question, I do agree with others that it was probably a futile exercise. If they'd seen your daughter steal - which is essentially what you were asking of them, right? - then they would have held her until you and/or the police arrived. Shoplifters get prosecuted these days, as a matter of course, regardless of their age. So even if your daughter did steal something from them (and I'm not suggesting that she did), then they would have been oblivious to it... but if they remember her face, and they very well might do, then she might find shopping there again results in her being very closely watched. Because, well, no smoke without fire...

I also doubt you'll get an apology. Because the dubious friend has obviously doubled down, despite the written statements from the friends she said "oh, Becra's daughter stole..." to possibly proving that she said this. Although wouldn't the school have told her mother what the allegations against her daughter were, what the written statements said about her, before releasing her, upset or not?

The friend's saying that she didn't lie, and her mother believes her.

Your daughter's saying that she didn't steal, and you believe her.

Every mother wants to believe their own child. It's hard-wired into us to want to protect them, no matter what. But... and I do mean this kindly... you and the other mother have dug yourselves into defensive trenches that now mean this is A Situation which your daughters are the ones who have to navigate their way through, regardless of whether they remain friends or not. Your daughter is going to lose friends over this, just as the other girl is. Factions will start to form, with some friends believing your daughter, and others taking the side of the friend.

Leave it to the school to deal with, but do keep a weather eye nonetheless. Because this has already escalated to communications between parents outside of school, which means that they may well wash their hands of sanctions/consequences for either girl (it happens - one of my son's friends did something at school, the parents took to social media, the school excluded him permanently as a result of that... but his something was vastly more extreme than shoplifting/lying, to be fair).

Keep your eye on the situation, be on top of it if/when it escalates to accusations of bullying (which I suspect it might, actually), but let the teachers sort it all out. They're the unbiased experts, after all.

But do send your daughter in tomorrow. If she's off, then she'll be found guilty by the court of her peers. She needs to go in with her head held high, and yes; you need to go in with her and insist on a meeting with her head of year, so that you can tell them your side of this awful situation and ask them to keep an eye on it (in loco parentis, and all that...). It's not easy being 12, and it's equally not easy parenting 12 year olds. But you do need to trust your daughter, and the school, enough to take a slight step backwards. Ignore the other mother completely. She's just doing what you are - believing her daughter, blindly and wholeheartedly. It's called being a parent.

TheaBrandt · 02/07/2023 17:49

An insane “friend” spread far nastier untrue allegations about Dd at 13. We were banned from approaching school she dealt with it herself. She now has a brilliant friendship group and the lying girl is in the social wilderness. She admitted subsequently it was lies. She was bored and jealous. Sometime interfering makes it worse.

Crumpleton · 02/07/2023 18:06

TheaBrandt · 02/07/2023 17:49

An insane “friend” spread far nastier untrue allegations about Dd at 13. We were banned from approaching school she dealt with it herself. She now has a brilliant friendship group and the lying girl is in the social wilderness. She admitted subsequently it was lies. She was bored and jealous. Sometime interfering makes it worse.

This was my first thought..

Maybe your DD is a bit more popular with her peers than the 'friend' and she's jealous so 'friend' is spreading lies about her.

Wouldn't surprise me if 'friend' walks up to your DD tomorrow and behaves as if nothing has happened and expects your DD to do the same.

AlfietheSchnauzer · 02/07/2023 19:23

This is bullying and as it's on school premises, it should be being dealt with by the school. You've proven your child to be innocent so that's that. It's now up to the school to deal with the other parent and if necessary, any other kids perpetuating this nonsense further

RagingWoke · 02/07/2023 19:35

Really weird you are inserting yourself into playground tales, just move on and stop creating drama. Your DD can distance herself from the 'friend' and move on, just flag it with the school, don't encourage her to dwell on it or get into calling back and forth with the other parent- all you'll do is make sure it continues (while fuelling your apparent desire for drama).

Still unclear what going to the shops proved. If she'd shoplifted and been caught you'd have been called. If she'd done it and got away with it then a receipt showing what time she was there is pointless, you can pay for one thing and steal another. Also, the retail workers probably don't give a shit.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 02/07/2023 19:56

🤣 oh good lord…the drama. Even the thread title is over the top.

Why are you perpetuating this? I can imagine my mum (bold bits) in this situation.

Friend’s mum calls to complain about picking up daughter- That’s a shame the girls had a falling out. Hopefully they’ll work it out.

Me(your DD) upset friend is telling lies - Did you do it? No.. then you know she’s lying hold your head up and move on

Me(your DD) wanting to prove innocence- Why, you didn’t do it. People will either believe the lies or they won’t. If they believe them then they’re not really friends after all.

Me(you DD) still upset about this - Oh good grief… this isn’t the first or last time someone will start a rumor about you, lie, or throw you under the bus. You can’t control that so you might as well figure out how to deal with it.

WonderfulUsername · 02/07/2023 20:43

saltinesandcoffeecups · 02/07/2023 19:56

🤣 oh good lord…the drama. Even the thread title is over the top.

Why are you perpetuating this? I can imagine my mum (bold bits) in this situation.

Friend’s mum calls to complain about picking up daughter- That’s a shame the girls had a falling out. Hopefully they’ll work it out.

Me(your DD) upset friend is telling lies - Did you do it? No.. then you know she’s lying hold your head up and move on

Me(your DD) wanting to prove innocence- Why, you didn’t do it. People will either believe the lies or they won’t. If they believe them then they’re not really friends after all.

Me(you DD) still upset about this - Oh good grief… this isn’t the first or last time someone will start a rumor about you, lie, or throw you under the bus. You can’t control that so you might as well figure out how to deal with it.

Are you my sister? 😂

I think we had the same brilliant mums! 🥇

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