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Husband lacks empathy for toddler

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DassDio · 01/07/2023 01:56

Recently our DS has had the dreaded chicken pox. He’s only 18 months old and has been managing pretty well during the day with it, but it’s really shaken his night routine. He has never been the best sleeper, only going through the night from around 15 months, but this has seen 1-2 hour stints of crying out/wanting cuddles/etc. and a number of settles beforehand. My husband and I both work full time and are lucky enough to be able to work remotely, but it’s been pretty exhausting.

My husband has never been pleasant on limited sleep so I have always defaulted to handling the bulk of night time duties since DS was born. He helps out, but he’s often grumpy about it and it definitely affects him more than me. I think I’ve been trained to have limited sleep these days.

Anyway, since the chickenpox started (7 days ago) it’s felt like he lacks any empathy for our toddler. He seems to think our 18 month old is trying to manipulate us to get what he wants all the time. I’ve tried to explain that they don’t have the brain development to consciously try to manipulate so young, but he won’t hear it. At night, when DS is upset and hard to console, my husband will say “No!” In his face and “Back to sleep. now!” Which probably doesn’t sound that bad on paper but it comes across quite aggressive in person. This never has the results he’s hoping for and often just escalates the crying. Husband will often storm out of the room and declare “leave him to cry”. If I try to go in to calm DS down, husband gets very annoyed at me and it will lead to an argument. DS doesn’t always go back to sleep for me quickly, but he doesn’t scream and cry. He typically asks for cuddles, water, or a bum change. In truth I get the feeling he’s uncomfortable from the chickenpox and he just wants reassurance that we’re there.

I think our parenting styles are ultimately very different, he’s a bit old fashioned and strict, I’m more emotionally driven, which means clashes are guaranteed. But am I being unreasonable to think that husband is lacking in empathy here? Any ideas on how to help him look at the situation differently? I feel like I’ve done all the research into baby development and modern parenting recommendations, but husband still thinks he knows better. Is that me being arrogant or him being dismissive?!

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samqueens · 01/07/2023 17:46

OP - I read your update and certainly hope this is something that can be solved with a parenting class (or a book - there are a million out there).

But just in case this is the tip of the iceberg I really strongly suggest you read the Lundy Bancroft book Why Does He Do That? (you can download on kindle app, read discreetly, and just to arm yourself with a red flag radar for future).

The fact that you aren’t sure if you’re being unreasonable is a bit of a concern - as most PP’s have said, you are clearly not being U.

Being a parent with a job and a life means that sleep deprivation is par for the course. If your H can’t handle it, but also won’t cede to you doing nights while he does days with good humour, then that’s not a good sign - how does it affect him for you to comfort your baby, if he doesn’t have to get up?! He should be glad one of you can do it and give you some extra rest the day after to balance things out.

Toddlers also have a lot of big / contradictory feelings. Is he going to send your child the message that essentially it’s not ok to have feelings? That’s not very healthy…

Obviously it is great if the book doesn’t reasonate with you (either now or in future), and even better if your H is willing to meet you half way, do some reading himself and modify his behaviour in the best interests of your child and your marriage. But sometimes that’s not what happens, and a lot of things can go undetected when your together but don’t have children - and babies can also trigger changes in partner behaviour.

Forewarned is forearmed, so I hope you are able to read that book. And I hope your H bucks his ideas up as his lack of empathy is indeed rather worrying… (and no, you are not crazy to think so)

mathanxiety · 01/07/2023 17:52

how does it affect him for you to comfort your baby, if he doesn’t have to get up?!

Indeed.

The accusation that an 18 month old is being manipulative shows resentment of the attention you are giving your sick baby.

In his mind he deserves all of your attention - he sees himself in competition with the baby for your attention, and if one is 'winning' the other must be 'losing'. The accusation is designed to stick a wedge between you and your child. That's narcissistic jealousy rearing its head (and the complete lack of self awareness that often goes with narcissism).

I'd be interested to learn how you found out that your H doesn't do very well on broken or lost sleep.

Mojoj · 01/07/2023 17:59

Yet another man who "doesn't function well with little sleep". Wee diddums. I know it doesn't help but I am sick to the back teeth of hearing yet another woman complaining about her useless lump of a husband who basically can't be bothered actually parenting and who would rather shout in the face of an ill baby. Wtf?

5128gap · 01/07/2023 18:01

I'm in my 50s so I'm probably likely to be 'traditional' but the thought of shouting in the face of an uncomfortable baby who wants reassurance horrifies me. When they're unwell and upset the natural reaction is to want to make that better, however 'strict' you are. His behaviour is not the sign of a traditional parent. It's the sign of a hard, cruel and uncaring one.

h3ll0o · 01/07/2023 18:05

We’re in this situation at the minute apart from we’re day 2 and our LO is three. I struggle with lack of sleep, get stuck on telling my LO to simply go back to sleep as I’m exhausted (often in a grumpy tone) and then are mega stressy in the day.

My little one learnt early on that I’m not at my best when I’m lacking sleep so she shouts for her dad in the night and I focus on days. She came down to be with me this morning and we both left dad to lie in as long as is needed. We had lots of screaming before bed as the itching wouldn’t go away and a late night.

As long as you all have empathy and respect for each other things will work out. I do get a bit aggressive when overwhelmed (I was raised in a house with domestic abuse) but it isn’t often and my daughter accepts and understands I feel dreadful and am trying my best.

How does your husband react after he has been aggressive and things calm down?

Ollifer · 01/07/2023 18:11

h3ll0o · 01/07/2023 18:05

We’re in this situation at the minute apart from we’re day 2 and our LO is three. I struggle with lack of sleep, get stuck on telling my LO to simply go back to sleep as I’m exhausted (often in a grumpy tone) and then are mega stressy in the day.

My little one learnt early on that I’m not at my best when I’m lacking sleep so she shouts for her dad in the night and I focus on days. She came down to be with me this morning and we both left dad to lie in as long as is needed. We had lots of screaming before bed as the itching wouldn’t go away and a late night.

As long as you all have empathy and respect for each other things will work out. I do get a bit aggressive when overwhelmed (I was raised in a house with domestic abuse) but it isn’t often and my daughter accepts and understands I feel dreadful and am trying my best.

How does your husband react after he has been aggressive and things calm down?

Your daughter accepts and understands your aggression? She's three...I doubt she does.

MissMarplesGoddaughter · 01/07/2023 18:14

Your poor little boy having a foul, abusive father shouting at him......

Please don't leave him alone with your son, don't have any more children with him and think seriously about your future with this man.

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