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Staggered start is illegal exclusion

239 replies

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 22:10

DD turns 5 on 2nd September. Just received her school starter paperwork and it's a staggered start, so won't actually start full time until 16th September. No home visits so no need for staggered start. 26 children already attend the school nursery full time.

AIBU to accuse the school of illegal exclusion by not allowing DD and the 25 others already attending school (nursery) full time (plus any new starters who wish to start full time straight away), to return to school on the 1st September like the rest of the school.

State maintained school (not academy).

Slightly tounge in cheek, but also hoping for some links to documents I can quote at the school.

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jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 22:59

Puppers · 30/06/2023 22:57

Not virtue signalling. Not sure why you think your opinion is genuine and worth sharing, whereas mine must surely be purely for brownie points and I shouldn't speak. Weird.

Anyway, I really hope you get over whatever it is that makes you behave like this. Because happy people don't behave the way you do.

😂😂😂 you really are over invested in me aren’t you. Oh well whatever makes you happy.

PTSDBarbiegirl · 30/06/2023 23:00

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HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:00

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 22:58

Still wanging on about illegal exclusion I see. Oh well at least it will give them a laugh.

Oh dear...your comprehension isn't brilliant, is it?

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wildworldtumes · 30/06/2023 23:02

Oh.

You're one of those secondary school teachers who look down on primary schools.

Good luck with your plan, and for future reference there are education boards for these kind of questions - you don't need to post in AIBU talking nonsense. HTH.

anqlqpei · 30/06/2023 23:02

Come on OP, if you're really a teacher you know you're being completely OTT. Just approach them nicely and ask if it is possible for her to attend full time from the start, no need to start throwing terms around like things being illegal 🙄. Also a Biology secondary teacher with a child in reception and amazingly I manage to communicate with their school without being a bit of a twit.

NumberTheory · 30/06/2023 23:03

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Schools are childcare facilities. It is an acknowledged secondary role that the government, under both Labour and the Conservatives have emphasised time and again, not least during Covid when the children of essential workers were given priority for in person schooling because…Schools Are Childcare.

Puppers · 30/06/2023 23:03

BamBamBambi · 30/06/2023 22:54

Well they just have to make it work.
That’s not the schools problem.
They are not your child care.

That's the point of the thread though isn't it. It is the school's problem if they are legally obligated to provide a full-time place for children of compulsory school age.

anqlqpei · 30/06/2023 23:03

wildworldtumes · 30/06/2023 23:02

Oh.

You're one of those secondary school teachers who look down on primary schools.

Good luck with your plan, and for future reference there are education boards for these kind of questions - you don't need to post in AIBU talking nonsense. HTH.

I have nothing but the utmost respect for primary teachers, a million times harder than secondary in my opinion!

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:04

GodspeedJune · 30/06/2023 22:55

Why on earth are you searching for DFE documents before even speaking to the school? Way to go marking yourself out as ‘that parent’.

Because I wasn't convinced that children were entitled to start from day 1, I thought it could very possibly be a commonly spouted misinformation sound bite that has just been passed on and on... so wanted to check for myself.

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jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:04

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:00

Oh dear...your comprehension isn't brilliant, is it?

You literally typed the words ‘illegal exclusion’ as part of your dummy letter. If you don’t mean illegal exclusion then maybe stop writing those exact words!

wildworldtumes · 30/06/2023 23:04

anqlqpei · 30/06/2023 23:03

I have nothing but the utmost respect for primary teachers, a million times harder than secondary in my opinion!

Are you the OP on a name change? If not, I wasn't talking to you...

Upwiththelark76 · 30/06/2023 23:04

Oh… you are ‘that parent’

boydoggies · 30/06/2023 23:05

When mine started in reception they attended for a half day every 3rd day for the first 3 weeks. It was miserable.

I was fortunate that I worked nights, so I could accommodate this, but those working normal hours really were challenged.

DisneyDisneyDisney · 30/06/2023 23:06

Puppers · 30/06/2023 22:42

Bloody hell this place. Why are people like you so needlessly rude?

They’re right. Maybe do some research yourself. You’re ignorant.

RSintes · 30/06/2023 23:06

Literally all you need to do is email them and say "Sorry doesn't work for me, Tarquin is will be starting FT from Day 1" and that's that.

Nothing more, nothing less.

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:06

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:04

You literally typed the words ‘illegal exclusion’ as part of your dummy letter. If you don’t mean illegal exclusion then maybe stop writing those exact words!

Read the bit above the dummy letter.

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WithMyDamnHighHopes · 30/06/2023 23:07

I have friends and family who are reception teachers and they all say it’s better for the vast majority of kids to do a staggered start and helps the teacher get to know each child better. They appreciate it’s inconvenient for parents but the children are their priority.

If it’s an issue, just talk to the school like a responsible parent. No need for accusations. Presumably you want a good relationship with the school.

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 30/06/2023 23:08

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 22:57

I am a teacher. Just secondary biology and have no experience of reception admissions.

I had no intention of not having a respectful conversation. I have already stated I used a hyperbolic thread title to gain responses, but even if I was serious it's perfectly possible to make that claim respectfully. E.g.:

Dear Mr Headteacher,

I am writing to request a change in admission date for my child in September 2023. As she has been attending your school for the past 2 years in the EYFS provision, and is continuing her education in your EYFS provision in September, I believe refusing attendance for 2 weeks at the beginning of September is an illegal exclusion.

Yada yada yada...

Instead of calling it an illegal exclusion, which is a bit hyperbolic, why not just say it is unnecessary for your child, so you would like her to go full time from the start, @HapptobeTHATparent?

Puppers · 30/06/2023 23:09

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 22:57

I am a teacher. Just secondary biology and have no experience of reception admissions.

I had no intention of not having a respectful conversation. I have already stated I used a hyperbolic thread title to gain responses, but even if I was serious it's perfectly possible to make that claim respectfully. E.g.:

Dear Mr Headteacher,

I am writing to request a change in admission date for my child in September 2023. As she has been attending your school for the past 2 years in the EYFS provision, and is continuing her education in your EYFS provision in September, I believe refusing attendance for 2 weeks at the beginning of September is an illegal exclusion.

Yada yada yada...

If you start quoting legislation straight off the bat you are likely to start the conversation off on the wrong foot and set an unpleasant tone.

All you need to do is contact them and say that unfortunately due to working commitments, you do need your child to be able to access full-time school from the start of term. If they come back and refuse, that's when you start quoting the legislation.

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:09

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:06

Read the bit above the dummy letter.

Yep, still goes on about ‘illegal exclusion’. Like I said it will give them a laugh and you of all people should know that, that is very welcome at this point in the year.

Nicecow · 30/06/2023 23:10

BusyMum47 · 30/06/2023 22:36

Christ, don't be so ridiculous!

They do it to help the little ones settle in & temporarily make the ratio of adults to children higher so that they can really get to know them. It's a common approach within most Primary Schools.

This. Don't be so thick, its probably so your child can settle in well, I think they know more about children than you do. School is very different and probably requires an adjustment period

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:11

wildworldtumes · 30/06/2023 23:02

Oh.

You're one of those secondary school teachers who look down on primary schools.

Good luck with your plan, and for future reference there are education boards for these kind of questions - you don't need to post in AIBU talking nonsense. HTH.

Yes...but then I wouldn't have got as many responses on a Friday night when there are much more interesting threads. And I've got a link which confirms it is true that children are entitled to start from day 1, so I can now write a perfectly pleasant email to ask, knowing that I can back it up if needed.

So my plan worked. 😁

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RSintes · 30/06/2023 23:12

Following your insane logic, I guess if in the future you wanted to ask the teacher to move Tarquin to sit next to a naicer pupil than Dwayne, you'd ask for a "managed move".

HapptobeTHATparent · 30/06/2023 23:13

jenandberrys · 30/06/2023 23:09

Yep, still goes on about ‘illegal exclusion’. Like I said it will give them a laugh and you of all people should know that, that is very welcome at this point in the year.

I had no intention of not having a respectful conversation. I have already stated I used a hyperbolic thread title to gain responses, but even if I was serious it's perfectly possible to make that claim respectfully.

And then the dummy letter.

even if I was serious

I even said in the OP it was tongue in cheek!

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MrsMikeDrop · 30/06/2023 23:13

Carrotscrikey · 30/06/2023 22:34

Lucky school! Bet they’re excited about years ahead with you! Have fun.

This. Why can you not just have a polite conversation with them like a normal person??!

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