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To think that Mn is wrongly described as a stronghold

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Ikeasucks · 30/06/2023 21:33

Keep seeing mumsnet being described (usually by men) as Prosecco Stormfront, the worst hotbed of sexism and transphobia, full of white, middle aged, middle class right wing women - is this true! 😮

To think that Mn is wrongly described as a stronghold
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Lentilweaver · 30/06/2023 22:35

I am in the UK, now. But I am not from the UK, originally.

Carry on with your shock. The courts and sports bodies have woken up to this TWAW rubbish, so will the rest of polite society.

MorrisZapp · 30/06/2023 22:36

Scotland here, this is a UK site so must users are in the UK, surely not a surprise to anyone?

TheMarzipanDildo · 30/06/2023 22:37

Tradwives 😂 wtf are they on about

ProfessorXtra · 30/06/2023 22:38

I can guarantee anyone posting that only women can clean a kitchen would get their arse handed to them. There’s been a few threads recently where posters are moaning their husbands are crap.

But saying ‘my husband (or friends husbands etc) can’t seem to clean a kitchen properly so I have to do it’ is not saying only women can clean a kitchen.

MN isn’t a hotbed of nastiness at all. Posters have been saying that since I joined 13 years ago. Along with ‘it’s not the same’ and ‘Mn is getting worse’.

MNers helped me leave my abusive husband. Gave me hope when all I had was a sofa at my friends which me and my kids slept on for 8 months. People here ta”talked to me when my mum died out of the blue and I couldn’t sleep because I didn’t want to wake up to a world without her.

I have got and used career advice, which has helped me improve my income by 50% in ghe last 4 years. advice for my son who is autistic, the weighted blanket that was recommended was a god send and we all now get some sleep. Got me through a dark spot during the first lockdown when my entire team was furloughed except me and was struggling to balance home schooling for 2 and working. Mn is the reason I sought legal and financial advice before dating and made the decision not to marry my now Dp to protect myself and the kids, financially. MN helped me learn to enjoy being single before I met Dp and get used to my own company and start to like myself. Hotbeds of nastiness don’t do all that.

Of course not everyone gets on all the times and sometimes I think people are really harsh. Sometimes it’s, frankly, needed. Sometimes not. I am sure people feel the same about my posts sometimes.

MN is primarily used by women. Who encourage women to not take shit off men. Women who try to show other women they don’t have to live a life they aren’t happy with. Of course people who like to put women’s interests behind mens interests are going to attract a lot of criticism and hate. It happens in real life, why not on the internet?

Like with everything you take the rough with the smooth. The smooth is definitely worth the rough when it comes to MN.

BCCoach · 30/06/2023 22:39

Bromptotoo · 30/06/2023 22:18

UK, English Midlands.

I'm in equal parts fascinated and horrified by the extent to which GC feminism/TERF attitudes about Transwomen prevail here.

Is it something that's lurking unseen amongst UK peeps and apparently totally absent amongst my own circle of friends. Or is it part of the two nations/common language divide with those left pond side?

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UK, Southeast, rural-ish. Everyone I know who I’ve had occasion to discuss it with knows that men cannot become women and that women's sport categories should be reserved exclusively for females. I doubt if most of these people would have heard the term “gender critical” but that’s undoubtedly what they are. Most of my friends and relations (and myself) are on the centre left and vote according (libdem in my constituency) as like most people we aren’t single issue voters.

Chickenkeev · 30/06/2023 22:40

ProfessorXtra · 30/06/2023 22:38

I can guarantee anyone posting that only women can clean a kitchen would get their arse handed to them. There’s been a few threads recently where posters are moaning their husbands are crap.

But saying ‘my husband (or friends husbands etc) can’t seem to clean a kitchen properly so I have to do it’ is not saying only women can clean a kitchen.

MN isn’t a hotbed of nastiness at all. Posters have been saying that since I joined 13 years ago. Along with ‘it’s not the same’ and ‘Mn is getting worse’.

MNers helped me leave my abusive husband. Gave me hope when all I had was a sofa at my friends which me and my kids slept on for 8 months. People here ta”talked to me when my mum died out of the blue and I couldn’t sleep because I didn’t want to wake up to a world without her.

I have got and used career advice, which has helped me improve my income by 50% in ghe last 4 years. advice for my son who is autistic, the weighted blanket that was recommended was a god send and we all now get some sleep. Got me through a dark spot during the first lockdown when my entire team was furloughed except me and was struggling to balance home schooling for 2 and working. Mn is the reason I sought legal and financial advice before dating and made the decision not to marry my now Dp to protect myself and the kids, financially. MN helped me learn to enjoy being single before I met Dp and get used to my own company and start to like myself. Hotbeds of nastiness don’t do all that.

Of course not everyone gets on all the times and sometimes I think people are really harsh. Sometimes it’s, frankly, needed. Sometimes not. I am sure people feel the same about my posts sometimes.

MN is primarily used by women. Who encourage women to not take shit off men. Women who try to show other women they don’t have to live a life they aren’t happy with. Of course people who like to put women’s interests behind mens interests are going to attract a lot of criticism and hate. It happens in real life, why not on the internet?

Like with everything you take the rough with the smooth. The smooth is definitely worth the rough when it comes to MN.

This is a beautiful and considered response. Fair play to you ❤️

Lentilweaver · 30/06/2023 22:40

What a lovely post @ProfessorXtra

CallieQ · 30/06/2023 22:40

EmmaPaella · 30/06/2023 21:42

What is a Prosecco stormfront? Can I join it?

Grin
JayAlfredPrufrock · 30/06/2023 22:43

@ProfessorXtra
❤️

ItsFunToBeAVampire · 30/06/2023 22:44

Bromptotoo · 30/06/2023 22:32

I can be 100% certain that what you say is bollocs bears no relation to my interactions with UK friends.

Firestarter and other 'martyrs' chose their course.

I'm still waiting for anyone to state whether they're in the UK or not.

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How on earth can you be 100% certain that your friends believe TWAW?
Many people won't even discuss it because they're likely to get cancelled or sacked.

If one of your friends told you that they don't believe people can change sex, what would you do or say?

And let's be honest, no one actually believes people can change sex, they're just willing to lie about it so they can keep "being kind".

(Wales, UK)

RoseslnTheHospital · 30/06/2023 22:46

@Bromptotoo UK here too, born and bred. South east ish. Sorry to disappoint that we're not all US tradwives. Ffs. Only someone with no idea what MN is all about would think something as dunderheaded as that.

I don't speak about my terven ways socially, and people might assume I'd be of the mantra chanting "be kind" brigade as a result. Given my centre leftish politics, background and other political/social opinions. How wrong they'd be.

Waitwhat23 · 30/06/2023 22:58

Owen Jones who inspired the hashtag #owenjonesisamisogynist ?

He hates MN because it's a place where women can openly talk about the things which affect them and he can't bully them into silence.

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Ikeasucks · 30/06/2023 23:02

ProfessorXtra · 30/06/2023 22:38

I can guarantee anyone posting that only women can clean a kitchen would get their arse handed to them. There’s been a few threads recently where posters are moaning their husbands are crap.

But saying ‘my husband (or friends husbands etc) can’t seem to clean a kitchen properly so I have to do it’ is not saying only women can clean a kitchen.

MN isn’t a hotbed of nastiness at all. Posters have been saying that since I joined 13 years ago. Along with ‘it’s not the same’ and ‘Mn is getting worse’.

MNers helped me leave my abusive husband. Gave me hope when all I had was a sofa at my friends which me and my kids slept on for 8 months. People here ta”talked to me when my mum died out of the blue and I couldn’t sleep because I didn’t want to wake up to a world without her.

I have got and used career advice, which has helped me improve my income by 50% in ghe last 4 years. advice for my son who is autistic, the weighted blanket that was recommended was a god send and we all now get some sleep. Got me through a dark spot during the first lockdown when my entire team was furloughed except me and was struggling to balance home schooling for 2 and working. Mn is the reason I sought legal and financial advice before dating and made the decision not to marry my now Dp to protect myself and the kids, financially. MN helped me learn to enjoy being single before I met Dp and get used to my own company and start to like myself. Hotbeds of nastiness don’t do all that.

Of course not everyone gets on all the times and sometimes I think people are really harsh. Sometimes it’s, frankly, needed. Sometimes not. I am sure people feel the same about my posts sometimes.

MN is primarily used by women. Who encourage women to not take shit off men. Women who try to show other women they don’t have to live a life they aren’t happy with. Of course people who like to put women’s interests behind mens interests are going to attract a lot of criticism and hate. It happens in real life, why not on the internet?

Like with everything you take the rough with the smooth. The smooth is definitely worth the rough when it comes to MN.

I’ve seen Mn be the most amazing source of support for women dealing with all sorts of challenges - it’s its biggest strength - along with the humout

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JayAlfredPrufrock · 30/06/2023 23:05

And managing to reference a post without quoting the whole bloody post. #please

Screamingabdabz · 30/06/2023 23:05

Bromptotoo · 30/06/2023 22:06

OK, but where in the world/what nationality are you?

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What does it matter? You can live anywhere on the planet and anybody with half a brain knows you can’t change sex. Some people pretend and lie of course, but deep down everyone knows.

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Ikeasucks · 30/06/2023 23:05

Waitwhat23 · 30/06/2023 22:58

Owen Jones who inspired the hashtag #owenjonesisamisogynist ?

He hates MN because it's a place where women can openly talk about the things which affect them and he can't bully them into silence.

Or block them 🤨

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PonyPatter44 · 30/06/2023 23:11

Not white, not right wing, not a tradwife (what even is that?), but definitely middle aged and probably a bit middle class. Totally GC though, and a big fan of prosecco although tonight I am drinking Pinot Grigio.

I think that odious little bletherskite needs to just FOTTFSOFATFOSM.

RudsyFarmer · 30/06/2023 23:33

Owen Jones still bitching about women I see. In a world where everything is in flux it’s nice to see some things will never change.

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