AIBU to tell you that First Direct closed bank account of gender critical blogger

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https://twitter.com/WingsScotland/status/1673371351942307840

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1673371351942307840.html

Who's next? What other beliefs are no longer allowed to partake in society?

I don't know if a penis will suffer if it gets no action, I can tell you that your woman parts can go years with zero stimulation and you can live just fine. I don't get the harm?

I don't know how Anglicans, Calvinists, Baptists and Methodists go about it, a Catholic just rocks up to confession and lives a celebrate life whatever their sexual orientation outside marriage, it's not a big deal.

Maybe evangelicals have a kids operation game, they use out the back somewhere and do weird things.

I never saw posters in any regular denomination church halls over the years asking anyone come to them about their sex life.

That's a lot of words to say you have no such evidence.

Indeed. However, you as an avid fan must be able to provide myriad evidence of his support for women (outwith the 'protective' nature of men via the TG issue e.g. Salmond etc), gay people and BAME folks.

Can't you?

If you're willing to share your email address via DM, I can pass it on to various people who have entire back catalogues of Wangs' articles expressing horrible, disgusting misogyny, homophobia and transphobia. Feel free to DM me.

You can’t even focus on what’s being said. My response was to people saying businesses are free to do as they like. This is utter nonsense.

You have no evidence of your claims, so you want to pass someone's email address to people to doxx the person who called you out?

Do you work for Barclays?

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Get your pals to post here, Trez, no need to sneak around in the darkness.

Actually we have a small number of banks closing a handful of accounts, just as they have always been able to do.
Why ignore the banks saying 'erm no actually it is nothing to do with their ideology' - because banks are liars while Nigel Farage et al are not?

Why ignore it? Because if they don't give the real reason why they closed the accounts, how can anyone fight it, or even rectify it? Even if it were criminality, they should have to outline reasons. And there are so many it happens to, I don't believe they're all lying about not getting reasons. It's not just famous people it happens to and its not only a handful.

It's all reminiscent of universities student organisations starting to deplatform people with views they dudnt like. At first, people shrugged because they didn't like and didn't agree with the people they were deplatforming so it wasn't anything to be concerned about. And then suddenly it affects someone they do like or agree with and it's all very different.

We should fight for the rights for everyone just in case one day it's our rights that are being affected.

My more educated friends would be embarrassed to know anyone who posts on this snakepit of a forum. I've certainly never told them I'm on here. So, no that doesn't work for me.

As for calling me out, nah! I've offered a solution. That's a solution that does not involve me giving a renowned misogynistic, homophobic, transphobic, megalomaniac any traffic to his rancid site.

Farage will have been involved in illegal activity if the bank has closed his account.

Nigel farage has links to Russian money, it’s entirely possible that there is a UN sanction against his name, in which case the banks have no choice

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Wherever your evidence for that?

Nigel Farage has said he received two sums for talking to Russia Today in 2016/17. Both were sums under £5,000. Chris Bryant MP has made an allegation under Parliamenary privilege that Farage received over £500,000 from a Russian, govt-backed tv station. But he's never repeated the allegation outside Parliament where he could be sued. Foarage denies it.
Farage, of course, might be lying. But then again Bryant is not known for being truthful. Just last year he had to apologise in court for lies he stated in Parliament against another man, Christopher Chandler, about having links to Russia.

So what is your evidence about links to Russian money? By the way, Chris Bryant said Farage wasn't on the UN sanction list.

You could quote all his vile, misogynistic, homophobic tweets, that wouldn't drive any traffic to his site, www.wingsoverscotland.com

Read the Ts and Cs of you current/savings account. When you open an account you accept the terms and conditions of the bank One of which is that your provider reserves the right to terminate your accounts for whatever reason they see fit as long as they give notice .

Read the Ts and Cs of you current/savings account. When you open an account you accept the terms and conditions of the bank One of which is that your provider reserves the right to terminate your accounts for whatever reason they see fit as long as they give notice .

It might be that the bank hasn't broken the law but it doesn't make it right. Apart from a very few people, we can't live without bank accounts. It just isn't possible anymore. That works out in the favour of banks. Therefore they should have responsibilities. And it doesn't seem asking too much to want an explanation of why your account is being closed. I guess they don't want to have to prove anything so they can't get sued, etc, for mistakes or high-handedness. But that shouldn't be a problem because they shouldnt be doing it without having solid evidence to show you.

I don't recall mentioning anything about right or wrong, just the facts.

I'm just adding to your facts.

Thanks for your reply to my reply to another point entirely. Thank you also for bringing these facts to my attention. Having lived under a rock since 1992, I was unaware that a bank account was necessary to navigate in society or that it was imperative that i should list my own opinion on this fact with my original reply lest another poster might assume I don't have one.

This. We must fight for free speech even if we disagree with what is being said

No need to be so testy. You gave info about T&Cs. I just added an opinion that T&Cs shouldn't be able to be used to escape proper scrutiny and responsibility. I neither agreed or disagreed with you because I didn't actually think that your post gave an opinion either way. It was just pointing out a fact.

T&Cs are frequently full of terms which wouldn't stand up in a court of law. They're non negotiated contracts where the already final terms are presented by one party to the other on a "take it or leave it" basis. The party whose terms they are generally relies on the fact that the other party won't read them, or if they do they won't understand them, or if they do they won't know that some of them are unenforceable, and even if they do they're very unlikely to take it to court.

In reality you can put whatever you like in your contract but there are certain legal obligations you can't contract out of, particularly when you are a business contracting with consumers. The bigger and more powerful you are compared to your customers, and the more they need whatever it is you are providing from either you or one of your competitors, the more responsibility you have towards them.

So yeah. It's not just your opinion. What you say is correct.

Thanks, @MargotBamborough . I do remember reading that, legally, these contracts can't make you sign away your rights. In the same way that NDAs can't be used to cover up crimes, etc. But I'd forgotten. Thanks for the reminder. I think it's a shocking situation for people to be in.

I doubt anything will be done.

Schools continue with mixed sex toilets, NHS continues with Annexe B and the armed forces will throw out good staff to please those who deny biological reality. Our chances of war comes are way are bad, throwing away sensible men.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12255015/Soldier-saved-lives-Afghanistan-forced-quit-Army-agreeing-men-women.html

When I heard intact men were being placed in the women’s prison estate in the UK, I didn’t believe it. I thought the UK was too rational.

When I heard the NHS used puberty blockers and transitioned children in various irreversible ways, I assumed those things must be well-evidenced.

I wish I could be sanguine over this and assume it was nonsense being pedalled by scaremongers but unfortunately I can no longer dismiss such claims out of hand.

I guess the upside is that this time, it is getting press attention while it is still only affecting a few people. There are now sufficient media outlets which are interested in everything related to this topic being exposed so that if it progresses, it will be subjected to scrutiny in a way that the prison service and the NHS weren’t. It certainly isn’t beyond the realm of possibility that there is someone at high level influencing banking policy. It wouldn’t be the first time.

I see you are not able to quote properly so I have no idea if the first sentence is a quote or not so I'm going to respond to the final one.

The Yorkshire Bank did indeed close the Reverend's account AFTER they asked for feedback and he responded saying that he didn't think they needed PRIDE posters/flags. [As they are a bank not a political party].

They gave him compensation AFTER he went to the Free Speech Union to take them to court and they didn't want this in court so they settled before it got there. They didn't think they had made a mistake.

So they have not publicly stated that they didn't close any accounts due to disagreeing with ideology, they paid him off to stop it going to court.

He didn't do anything apart from respond to THEIR request for feedback. As a customer for 17 years, is he not allowed to respond in a way he sees fit to their request for feedback?