Would I be a scab

[Badlands1]

NC
My union have voted to strike. I have voted not to - am I scab if I work? I don't disagree with the unions requests but I am not happy with the effects the strike will have.

@Badlands1 do you go to work on Christmas DAy when you aren't on call?
Did you go into work on the coronation bank holiday (assuming you weren't the oncall consultant?)

If so feel free to go to work during the strikes.

If you don't then take a good long hard look at why you think the proposed strike is so dangerous. It is a reduction in service to bank holiday levels. Yes there will be impact from the delays to care as a result but the government doesn't seem overly bothered about that on a day to day basis when we take down services due to lack of nursing, ancillary, medical or other specialist staff so why is this any different?

Speak to some colleagues who support the strikes. Speak to your senior trainees about their financial situations. Speak to colleagues in expensive parts of the UK who are now struggling to fill consultant vacancies as none of the recently qualified consultants can afford to live there with their family.

This is a once in a generation opportunity to try to right the pay wrongs of the past 15 years. Don't fuck it up for everyone else. Don't roll over and make medicine in the UK even harder. Don't actively encourage our newly minted CCT colleagues onto jet planes.

You alone cannot care for all the patients. You need your colleagues. Your colleagues are telling you loud and clear that they want to be paid the same as their peers did in 2008. If you don't listen you could end up without them.

Or in the case of doctors remember their hippocratic oath and put their patients first.

Quite.

@Willyoujustbequiet I believe by striking I am putting my patients first.

The havoc that is waiting to be unleashed by medical staffing shortages will cause far greater harm than two days of a reduced service.

We are already having to reduce planned surgical activity in my workplace as we cannot find anaesthetic cover. As more of my colleagues leave for better pay abroad (or retire) and we cannot recruit replacements this will only get worse.

Medical pay is already affecting staffing and if some move to recitfy it isn't made it will only get worse.

I keep meaning to hash through the DDRB reports to show what was recommended vs. what we got.

This would be especially interesting when compared to MP pay.

Yes and other times some people cannot afford to strike and are happy with the deal on the table. But others in the union who can afford to strike and not loose pay will push and push for an unreasonable amount just because they can.

So you cant have it both ways, my union wanted to strike and the deal on the table was great as far as I was concerned but militant shits wanted to strike no matter what. in these circumstances I will not strike, if they don't like it I don't give a shit, but there more than happy to take my subs each month.

People love to say this to sound clever. The Hippocratic Oath prohibits surgery and other modern medicine. Doctors in the UK do not swear the Hippocratic Oath.

If you are a member of the union you are honour-bound to accept its democratically determined actions.

The power of a union is there in the name: Union. A collective, acting as one.

If you can’t, won’t or don’t want to abide by the decision to strike, the decent thing to do is to resign from the union.

To stay in the Union and break the strike by going into work is to undermine the rest of the union you have pledged to support.

If the Government weren’t such a shower of bastards we’d not be in this mess.

There are plenty of doctors working today that took it and its increasingly used in the last few years.

Or of course the GMC good medical practice.

So the point stands. Patients should be the priority.

Honour and Union in the same sentence you could not make it up Hahaha.

Striking doesn't mean patients aren't the priority.

The outrage over days where there will be reduced services should be targeted to the reduced services we see every day. Conditions haven't been safe for a long time.

Added to that is that we're continually losing doctors & not attracting the best students in part due to pay erosion.

There's a reason 86% of consultants chose to strike (and the numbers were even higher for juniors)

I do emapthise with OPs posts though.

You never cross a picket line ...

Yes, and their efforts - the hits to their pay packet - are being undermined by members like this who ultimately benefit from their losses.

No one is likely to be bullied for this nowadays - this isn't the era of Arthur Scargill - but it is divisive and will likely cause a lack of future trust between colleagues. There's no help for this. Actions bring consequences.

That's where you wrong I would, don't like it bully for you. I could not care less, so actually that makes your comment factually incorrect. 🙄

Your point is…?

Unions were grass roots organisations to stop employers exploiting employees and give this employees collective power by withholding their labour when no other solution could be found.

If you can’t support that, then the decent people hing to do is not be in the union.

Looking at most union members on here and in real life.
It more resembles a cult, rather than a group of people supporting each other.

Calling others scabs and intimidating them, just shows most union members are not capable of understanding others some times have their own nuances and individual circumstances, that mean they cannot fall in line as you allude to.

So its either your with us or against us its a "CULT", that's what's wrong with the attitude of many union members shallow minded little bullies.

Yes of course you would be a scab if you don't take the industrial action that has been agreed in the ballot. If you're not prepared to abide by the majority decision of your union then you should have the good grace to leave it. Will you be happy to accept whatever pay increase your union and striking colleagues achieve?

I disagree. I'm not saying there are not service issues or that it isn't the tories fault. But it's mainly about pay and there's no point trying to hide that.

So no, my sympathy will lie with the patients as they are the ones who will suffer.

Would people who are in unions who aren’t striking be entitled to the pay rise? Or people who can’t afford to be in a union?

Today I learned that abiding by a democratic decision that I don't like, and expecting others to do so, is "cult" behaviour.

Does that mean I can rejoin the EU? I voted to remain.

And the point was that thing that you heard rushing over the top of your head.

Well if you actually tried to make a comparable comparison, but your example makes zero sense.

Actually come back with a comparison that is not comparing apples to oranges and I can comment, other wise you don't look very bright.

Who gives a damn, just do what you want to do.

If you strike, will you get paid? Likely not. The union won't be paying your bills.

I think people are brainwashed when it comes to unions. They are usually nothing but bullies.

I'm an ex teacher and was always told that if your union called a vote and then strike, you should strike as its what youve 'agreed' in membership of the union. When I was teaching there was a union that would never strike and I know several teachers joined fir that exact reason. Since then lots of changes with different unions joining together etc.
Current dates for future teacher strikes are causing a lot of concern for DH and friends who still teach. Towards the end of term is very much an enjoyable and very busy time for schools with trips, sports days, faryres, performances etc and staff realise the effect this will have on the kids if they have to be cancelled, with very little time to rearrange. Concerned to yhe point that they are considering not striking however if others in school do then events will still.probably be cancelled anyway.

No it’s not.
If you make people leave unions for not wanting to join every union approved strike, you’ll end up with smaller and weaker unions.
If you say that members who do not agree with and participate in strikes do not deserve the pay rises, should they happen, why should anyone else who hasn’t agreed with the strike qualify for the pay rise?

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