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To think enough is enough now and cut off DM.

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gigihh · 25/06/2023 23:07

long long ass story bewared but I'll try to cut down without leaving to much important info out.

DM met L 10 years ago, L is still married and has a child with another woman. When she did everyone and everything was dropped for him. She'd make plans and not bother to show up. She'd cancel last minute with a crap half assed excuse which wasn't true and it'd turn out she'd be with L etc. L is the type of person has an opinion on everything, He has to share said opinion on everything with everyone and will argue the toss with you about how you're wrong and he's right. (He actually argued with DSis about where she was at work, how she was wrong and how he knew she wasn't in Y but was in X because he went there when he was younger. Not only was he in another country, he was of course wrong.)

After months of him telling me how I was raising my child wrong, he has a DD and knows better, what I should and shouldn't do with him and her constantly flaking on DS1/me and even buggering off during DSis wedding repeatedly as she "needed to spend time with L" on their day to the point the guest assumed the MOB didn't attend! I didn't speak to DM for 4 years. The wife also found out about the affair but that didn't stop them.

We reconciled and despite her still acting like a teenager with their first boyfriend I thankfully never had the misfortune of being around him until recently. They worked/lived abroad to avoid L's wife for years and he'd occasionally come home to see them. Any visits/holidays/trips etc had to be planned around L's return home as god forbid she'd go out and leave him by himself.

Last year they returned to work/live in the UK, L went back to the wife and his daughter, barely had contact with DM and DM fell into a routine of coming to see my DC midweek and once on the weekend, she was always wanting us to do things, go shopping etc which we usually would.

This brings us till last month. L and DM went away whilst L's wife and DD went away to which she found out. She turned up at DMs house had the affair confirmed again and subsequently kicked L out. L will tell you he wasn't kicked out but he chose to leave after she threw his stuff out the window. DM had plans with Dsis and us to which she bailed on with no contact, days later she pitched up and gave a grand old speech about how she's told L "I've made a life since you've been back with your wife, I have plans and routines with DD's and the GC that won't change". We obviously suspected this was BS and wouldn't last and this is where we are now.

She went weeks without seeing my DC without a word because "I can't leave L in the hotel by himself." When she finally saw DC it was cut short because L had finished work and she was going to back to see him. She asked if he could come to my DS birthday at the beach to which we reluctantly agreed and it was a shit show from the get go. She arrived late, she swanned off for 1.5 hours under the guise of "getting a tea" from the cafe 10 steps away with L and L spent the whole day telling me what to do with my DC. "Why isn't DS wearing a t-shirt", "you should put this sunscreen on DC not the one you have", "pull DC socks up so he looks cool", "DC sit down", "DC come do this" "why isn't DC eating this instead of that" etc This lasted all day, over every decision I made as a parent and through DS birthday meal. I repeatedly told him to stop to which he ignored until I loudly stated that "I didn't remember sleeping with him as far as I was aware he's not their father and I didn't ask for parenting advice" he proceeded to sulk the rest of the meal and DM said nothing.

As part of DS birthday Dsis had agreed with DM back in March to take DC away due to me working the weekend. Due to it also being DM birthday weekend we agreed to go out for dinner. Now L was around DM spent the past two weeks trying to chop and change plans and trying to add him onto things without asking if it was ok or if there was room. Due to this the travel plans were changed First, DM was meant to go with DSis, BIL & DC then she changed it to they'd meet her at her's and they'd follow each other. On the day, an hour before they're meant to meet she decided she'd make her own way with L and they'd meet them there. Because L knows best and didn't need directions or to follow them they ended up 40 miles away in the wrong direction at a different holiday park. When they finally got to everyone else it was the afternoon, they then left halfway through the afternoon to attend a viewing on a flat they decided to book for that day and returned 2 hours later. L had also decided he had to be there for dinner and wanted to go to a restaurant where minimum spend for a private plastic 'pod' was £250 and they only served roast dinner on a Sunday. Something nobody wants at 27 degrees and DC wouldn't eat.

True to fashion when they were there L knew everything about everything and was apparently a PITA, was carrying on with his telling DC what to do and not to do etc. When I spoke with DM later that day I asked her the plans for the following day (she was meant to take DC home and we'd have a meal) I told her I didn't want L driving DC as I've seen him drive before and he's an angry, showboating idiot on the road and she agreed she would drive. As far as I knew everything else that day went ok DC all crashed early and were content.

That was until I got a phone call the next morning when they were on their way home. DM and L had buggered off home that night when she was meant to stay. They promised they'd be back before DC were awake around 7 and it was now 9 with them still not there and hangry DC. When they finally arrived at gone 11 L argued with everyone about what they wanted for breakfast (BIL said he wanted beans on toast and L told him he didn't he wanted a fry up, Dsis would want Y and he's argue how she wanted X etc). The original plan was Dsis and BIL were leaving at 9 to return home and DM was staying to do activities with them, she then asked them to drive DC home because L wanted to drive.

It was at this point I lost my cool. I rang DM who made a whole song and dance about connecting me to the car handsfree to act like she was driving and asked her why Dsis and BIL were driving DC home. She admitted she told Dsis to drive them as L wanted to drive and seeing as I didn't want him driving my DC that was the only option. I told her I didn't think it wasn't fair that she'd made all these promises to DC, DSis, BIL etc and she continued to flake. L then proceeded to lose his shit. "who the fuck do you think you're talking to?!", "why the fuck can't I drive your kids?!", "you need to fucking understand im with your mother you're not important I am", "you and Dsis are fucking shit stirrers", "you're a cunt", "you're a fucking bitch" etc. I'd tell him I wasn't speaking to him I was trying to talk to my mother and he'd go on again. I told him him point blank I didn't need to talk to him and he if he wanted to parent someone to parent his own child to which again I was called a "nasty cunt" and told "get someone else to look after your fucking kids, she's not fucking looking after them anymore, you're a fucking bitch" DM sat there and let him carry on saying "I'm not getting involved".

I told DSis what happened and to bring the DC to me and don't leave them with them. Apparently DM said nothing to Dsis and BIL chucked their stuff at them and got back in their car and shut the door. No goodbye to DC etc. Dsis and BIL were rightly fuming and I left work early and came to meet them. Later that day I contacted DM to say DC still wanted to give her her presents but I had no desire to see L and L was to be know where near DC. L started screaming I was a "selfish stuck up bitch" and demanding to know why I wouldn't let him see my DC. He can go "anywhere he wants and I'll see your DC if I want". DM told me that L was "the most important person in her life" and "we all have to accept that they're together and they come first" this was followed by I "didn't get it L is having to find a house all by himself and she's the only person who understands that". Completely ignoring the fact I moved out lived alone with DC1 at 18 and have lived alone/moved alone since!

"if you won't let L see DC then I don't know when I'll see DC as we will always be together so that's your choice but I will not be forced to pick sides". Nobody wants her to "pick sides" except L who has repeatedly said "we're all jealous he's number 1 in her life now and he will always be first" The irony that he's still married to his wife and is only around as she kicked him out isn't lost on me however.

She still wants to see DC apparently, she can't say when, for how long or a day etc and it'll depend on if she's with L but she'll tell me on the day she's free. DC do like her and enjoy spending time with her but rely heavily on reliability and routine. My eldest DC has said he doesn't want to see or speak to L again after hearing the way he spoke to me and at the moment he doesn't want to see DM at all, I ofc won't make him. However, if i'm being honest I think i'm done. DM knows I have 0 problem with cutting people off (DB was a nasty abusive piece of work and I went NC 9 years ago without looking back) She's already had 1 chance and despite it being quite some time I know we're back to square one. OFC I don't expect to be the forefront of her life, but I certainly don't expect DC and I to be thrown away and used when she's nothing better to do.

OP posts:
MaggyNoodles · 26/06/2023 09:30

Give DM a regular time slot to come and see you alone, i.e., Saturday mornings. If you're not going to be in, just let her know, but don't rearrange to a different time.
Go no contact with L.

gigihh · 26/06/2023 09:35

MaggyNoodles · 26/06/2023 09:30

Give DM a regular time slot to come and see you alone, i.e., Saturday mornings. If you're not going to be in, just let her know, but don't rearrange to a different time.
Go no contact with L.

That’s what we had, Saturday was the day she saw DC, however now L is around she’s unreliable on if she’ll turn up and if she does she’ll be late or leave early to see L. I’ve made it clear L is to be nowhere near DC and she’s saying she’s always going to be with L so therefore I’m making it hard for her to see them

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NotOnYourNellies · 26/06/2023 09:37

Wèll she has made her choices known , just make your own plans and don't work around her
Let her work around you

Backstreets · 26/06/2023 09:40

L must have some mind blowing qualities you’re (thankfully) not privy to, bloody hell
Go no contact. If she chooses a destructive relationship over her grandchildren, that’s her cross to bear.

Probationnotontarget · 26/06/2023 09:41

I agree she’s made her choices.

I would send a text.

Mother, you’ve made it clear L comes first and you are unavailable to see me or your GC whilst he is around. I do not wish for him to be near me or our children going forward. You’ve made you choice and I wish you well in the future.

Isheabastard · 26/06/2023 09:44

For the sake of your children I’d suggest a slow fade with your DM. Let them see that she is unreliable, and as she makes the decision not to be in their lives, they will happily get on with theirs.

Rainrainstayawaytilseptember · 26/06/2023 09:47

Never tell dc if she is supposed to be coming. Tell her 10 am Saturday. If she is a no show then go out. If she turns up at 11 not your fault. Seriously op take control and fuck her off. You lose nothing but stress...
Been nc with dps for over 20 years..

Xeren · 26/06/2023 09:49

”I won’t be forced to pick sides”

She has picked a side - a long time lying, cheating bully over her own daughters who are there to pick up the pieces when he leaves her time and time again.

I’m really sorry you’ve had to go through this. But your mother doesn’t care about you.

Prioritise yourself and your DC.

And if L ever preaches to you again just say “I don’t take the opinions of lying cheaters seriously, keep your opinions to yourself”.

MaggyNoodles · 26/06/2023 09:50

Rainrainstayawaytilseptember · 26/06/2023 09:47

Never tell dc if she is supposed to be coming. Tell her 10 am Saturday. If she is a no show then go out. If she turns up at 11 not your fault. Seriously op take control and fuck her off. You lose nothing but stress...
Been nc with dps for over 20 years..

Yes, this.

Amillionlovesongslater · 26/06/2023 09:53

I'd send a text saying you don't want any more contact with L and that if she wishes to maintain a relationship with you and dgc then it needs to be a set time/day every week/month and that if she can't stick to plans then there's no waiting around, don't tell your dc so there not let down. If she doesn't stick to this than I'd say she's made her feelings clear and I'd go Nc.

Valour · 26/06/2023 09:54

I'd send a calm message (not because you're calm, why the hell should you be, but because it'll reiterate that you're reasonable). Something like, 'I'm sorry that you have chosen L over having a relationship with your family. I hope you get the happiness and peace you long for, but it is unreasonable for you to expect me and my children to spend time with someone who has called me a "cunt" and a "fucking bitch." '

He is a prick OP, but she is a bad mother and you deserve so much better. Imagine being in her situation! It's one thing to allow yourself to be treated badly by a man, but to allow him to be so awful with your kids... She must be terribly weak.

gigihh · 26/06/2023 10:01

@Valour Oh hell would freeze over before I'd ever sit back and be a bystander letting anyone talk to my DC the way he screamed obscenities at me. Then again I am fiercely protective over my DC and I haven't and wouldn't pick anyone over them.

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FOJN · 26/06/2023 10:06

Honestly just cut her and the drama out of your life, you don't need it and your children don't need it either. She does not have a right to a relationship with them if she repeatedly lets them down and it's your job to protect them from that.

There is no need for a dramatic showdown about going no contact, just don't phone her and either ignore her calls or tell you're busy if she does get in touch.

There is no amount of reasonable discussion or explanation of your position which will improve your relationship so stop trying. She has chosen her relationship with an unpleasant man over her family. The least painful thing for you is to work on accepting this hurtful fact rather than trying to maintain a relationship which constantly reminds of the choice she has made.

Maybe you can rebuild the relationship in the future if her relationship with L ends but in the meantime save yourself the hurt, drama and anger and just stop trying.

UnfortunateTypo · 26/06/2023 10:08

She allowed someone to talk to her daughter like that? She’s already chosen, I’d go NC and never look back. I’m so sorry she’s such a bad mother.

NapoliTutti · 26/06/2023 10:16

I would cut her out, and I wouldn't even bother to tell her she was out. She can work it out herself, by herself, when he drops her which he absolutely will. She's made her disastrous and she can lie in it.

70isaLimitNotaTarget · 26/06/2023 10:19

I haven't RTFT , but this

"I didn't remember sleeping with him as far as I was aware he's not their father and I didn't ask for parenting advice

Is fecking EPIC Wink"

FairAcre · 26/06/2023 10:28

I gave up reading - it was too long and confusing. However, it sounds like your DM is causing you constant drama and stress. I think she has had enough chances. Move on and forget about her.

Weal · 26/06/2023 10:42

What an awful situation, but well done you for standing up to him and finally bringing the situation to a head…sounds like it needed to happen!

I agree with giving your DM a weekly slot she can see the kids without L. Then it is her choice to make. Sounds likely she will choose L though.

If I were you I’d talk to your children, in an appropriate way, about the situation too. Maybe useful for them to start learning about healthy and unhealthy relationships. Also so they know the importance of having boundaries and understand why they don’t see DM.

It’s a very sad situation and it sounds like DM is controlled. However other than making boudaries for yourself, which you have done, I’m not sure what else you can do.

Peach0123 · 26/06/2023 10:49

I think because your post is very long and detailed PP might have missed the fact that he gave you horrendous abuse, called you vile names and your DM did fuck all about it. DC heard all of this and you still wanted to make sure DM got bday presents, more abuse there too. She did nothing.

You are doing the right thing going NC, no way can you let your kids see this kind of thing. It's not really about the flaky behaviour, more the pure abuse she is allowing to you, your Dsis and DC. This guy is a tool. DM has chosen, you don't need this stress. Sure your Dsis will feel the same.

Simonlebonbon · 26/06/2023 10:55

L is a cunt. A cheeky, mouthpiece who needs to fuck off.

Your DM is really fucking up badly here.
If a man ever spoke to my kids the way he's spoken to you I'd go nuclear. I'll never understand some women (my own DM included) letting men come before their kids.

I'd tell them both to fuck off tbh

WhineWhineWhineWINE · 26/06/2023 10:57

She has picked her side, quite clearly. Tell her bluntly that L is a horrible man who you will not allow in your children's lives any more. You will also not tolerate being messed about by her because of him, as that is not healthy for your children either. Draw a line and stick to it, I suspect you will all be much happier.

huntingcunting · 26/06/2023 11:15

I would go non contact with her. She sat by and allowed L to scream abuse at you, her own daughter. There is no way I would be tolerating him or her, anywhere near my children.

doubleoseven · 26/06/2023 11:27

That was exhausting to read. I can't imagine how exhausting it is living it.
She's had loads of chances, much more than I'd have given. None of this set time/day nonsense, you know she won't stick to it. How any mother can be with a man who speaks to her children like that I'll never understand.
Personally I would cut her out. Doesn't have to be dramatic, slow fade as pp said. So next time she suddenly free make sure you're not. Can't be good for your kids (or yourself) to have all this drama in their lives, she sounds like a flakey in/out absent father and we know the damage they do.

Nowvoyager99 · 26/06/2023 11:27

I would go totally NC. How many chances does she need?

Your life will be so much better without all this unnecessary drama.

greyhairnomore · 26/06/2023 11:47

I'd tell her to contact me when L has fucked off back to his wife or another woman.