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To think enough is enough now and cut off DM.

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gigihh · 25/06/2023 23:07

long long ass story bewared but I'll try to cut down without leaving to much important info out.

DM met L 10 years ago, L is still married and has a child with another woman. When she did everyone and everything was dropped for him. She'd make plans and not bother to show up. She'd cancel last minute with a crap half assed excuse which wasn't true and it'd turn out she'd be with L etc. L is the type of person has an opinion on everything, He has to share said opinion on everything with everyone and will argue the toss with you about how you're wrong and he's right. (He actually argued with DSis about where she was at work, how she was wrong and how he knew she wasn't in Y but was in X because he went there when he was younger. Not only was he in another country, he was of course wrong.)

After months of him telling me how I was raising my child wrong, he has a DD and knows better, what I should and shouldn't do with him and her constantly flaking on DS1/me and even buggering off during DSis wedding repeatedly as she "needed to spend time with L" on their day to the point the guest assumed the MOB didn't attend! I didn't speak to DM for 4 years. The wife also found out about the affair but that didn't stop them.

We reconciled and despite her still acting like a teenager with their first boyfriend I thankfully never had the misfortune of being around him until recently. They worked/lived abroad to avoid L's wife for years and he'd occasionally come home to see them. Any visits/holidays/trips etc had to be planned around L's return home as god forbid she'd go out and leave him by himself.

Last year they returned to work/live in the UK, L went back to the wife and his daughter, barely had contact with DM and DM fell into a routine of coming to see my DC midweek and once on the weekend, she was always wanting us to do things, go shopping etc which we usually would.

This brings us till last month. L and DM went away whilst L's wife and DD went away to which she found out. She turned up at DMs house had the affair confirmed again and subsequently kicked L out. L will tell you he wasn't kicked out but he chose to leave after she threw his stuff out the window. DM had plans with Dsis and us to which she bailed on with no contact, days later she pitched up and gave a grand old speech about how she's told L "I've made a life since you've been back with your wife, I have plans and routines with DD's and the GC that won't change". We obviously suspected this was BS and wouldn't last and this is where we are now.

She went weeks without seeing my DC without a word because "I can't leave L in the hotel by himself." When she finally saw DC it was cut short because L had finished work and she was going to back to see him. She asked if he could come to my DS birthday at the beach to which we reluctantly agreed and it was a shit show from the get go. She arrived late, she swanned off for 1.5 hours under the guise of "getting a tea" from the cafe 10 steps away with L and L spent the whole day telling me what to do with my DC. "Why isn't DS wearing a t-shirt", "you should put this sunscreen on DC not the one you have", "pull DC socks up so he looks cool", "DC sit down", "DC come do this" "why isn't DC eating this instead of that" etc This lasted all day, over every decision I made as a parent and through DS birthday meal. I repeatedly told him to stop to which he ignored until I loudly stated that "I didn't remember sleeping with him as far as I was aware he's not their father and I didn't ask for parenting advice" he proceeded to sulk the rest of the meal and DM said nothing.

As part of DS birthday Dsis had agreed with DM back in March to take DC away due to me working the weekend. Due to it also being DM birthday weekend we agreed to go out for dinner. Now L was around DM spent the past two weeks trying to chop and change plans and trying to add him onto things without asking if it was ok or if there was room. Due to this the travel plans were changed First, DM was meant to go with DSis, BIL & DC then she changed it to they'd meet her at her's and they'd follow each other. On the day, an hour before they're meant to meet she decided she'd make her own way with L and they'd meet them there. Because L knows best and didn't need directions or to follow them they ended up 40 miles away in the wrong direction at a different holiday park. When they finally got to everyone else it was the afternoon, they then left halfway through the afternoon to attend a viewing on a flat they decided to book for that day and returned 2 hours later. L had also decided he had to be there for dinner and wanted to go to a restaurant where minimum spend for a private plastic 'pod' was £250 and they only served roast dinner on a Sunday. Something nobody wants at 27 degrees and DC wouldn't eat.

True to fashion when they were there L knew everything about everything and was apparently a PITA, was carrying on with his telling DC what to do and not to do etc. When I spoke with DM later that day I asked her the plans for the following day (she was meant to take DC home and we'd have a meal) I told her I didn't want L driving DC as I've seen him drive before and he's an angry, showboating idiot on the road and she agreed she would drive. As far as I knew everything else that day went ok DC all crashed early and were content.

That was until I got a phone call the next morning when they were on their way home. DM and L had buggered off home that night when she was meant to stay. They promised they'd be back before DC were awake around 7 and it was now 9 with them still not there and hangry DC. When they finally arrived at gone 11 L argued with everyone about what they wanted for breakfast (BIL said he wanted beans on toast and L told him he didn't he wanted a fry up, Dsis would want Y and he's argue how she wanted X etc). The original plan was Dsis and BIL were leaving at 9 to return home and DM was staying to do activities with them, she then asked them to drive DC home because L wanted to drive.

It was at this point I lost my cool. I rang DM who made a whole song and dance about connecting me to the car handsfree to act like she was driving and asked her why Dsis and BIL were driving DC home. She admitted she told Dsis to drive them as L wanted to drive and seeing as I didn't want him driving my DC that was the only option. I told her I didn't think it wasn't fair that she'd made all these promises to DC, DSis, BIL etc and she continued to flake. L then proceeded to lose his shit. "who the fuck do you think you're talking to?!", "why the fuck can't I drive your kids?!", "you need to fucking understand im with your mother you're not important I am", "you and Dsis are fucking shit stirrers", "you're a cunt", "you're a fucking bitch" etc. I'd tell him I wasn't speaking to him I was trying to talk to my mother and he'd go on again. I told him him point blank I didn't need to talk to him and he if he wanted to parent someone to parent his own child to which again I was called a "nasty cunt" and told "get someone else to look after your fucking kids, she's not fucking looking after them anymore, you're a fucking bitch" DM sat there and let him carry on saying "I'm not getting involved".

I told DSis what happened and to bring the DC to me and don't leave them with them. Apparently DM said nothing to Dsis and BIL chucked their stuff at them and got back in their car and shut the door. No goodbye to DC etc. Dsis and BIL were rightly fuming and I left work early and came to meet them. Later that day I contacted DM to say DC still wanted to give her her presents but I had no desire to see L and L was to be know where near DC. L started screaming I was a "selfish stuck up bitch" and demanding to know why I wouldn't let him see my DC. He can go "anywhere he wants and I'll see your DC if I want". DM told me that L was "the most important person in her life" and "we all have to accept that they're together and they come first" this was followed by I "didn't get it L is having to find a house all by himself and she's the only person who understands that". Completely ignoring the fact I moved out lived alone with DC1 at 18 and have lived alone/moved alone since!

"if you won't let L see DC then I don't know when I'll see DC as we will always be together so that's your choice but I will not be forced to pick sides". Nobody wants her to "pick sides" except L who has repeatedly said "we're all jealous he's number 1 in her life now and he will always be first" The irony that he's still married to his wife and is only around as she kicked him out isn't lost on me however.

She still wants to see DC apparently, she can't say when, for how long or a day etc and it'll depend on if she's with L but she'll tell me on the day she's free. DC do like her and enjoy spending time with her but rely heavily on reliability and routine. My eldest DC has said he doesn't want to see or speak to L again after hearing the way he spoke to me and at the moment he doesn't want to see DM at all, I ofc won't make him. However, if i'm being honest I think i'm done. DM knows I have 0 problem with cutting people off (DB was a nasty abusive piece of work and I went NC 9 years ago without looking back) She's already had 1 chance and despite it being quite some time I know we're back to square one. OFC I don't expect to be the forefront of her life, but I certainly don't expect DC and I to be thrown away and used when she's nothing better to do.

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Beautiful3 · 26/06/2023 11:58

Just cut her off. She brings nothing to the table. He sounds vile. I bet when he dumps her, she'll suddenly be sorry and available.

ChaToilLeam · 26/06/2023 12:04

L is vile and I’m afraid your mother is not much better. She’s picked her side. Too many chances already, I think. Time to be done with them both.

MCOut · 26/06/2023 12:08

Drop her. I don’t even think that you need to have a conversation with her about it, just cease all contact.

tattygrl · 26/06/2023 12:39

I can't believe your mother heard her partner scream at you in such a way and is still by his side. That alone is flabbergasting to me. I'm sorry, OP. You deserve more love and care from your mother than that. I think you know that this isn't going to get better, and you rightly don't want your children subjected to this nasty person and the unhealthy dynamic between L and your mum. NC is the only viable end result, I think.

Knittedfairies · 26/06/2023 12:54

Just drop the rope. Don't do anything; don't call or text. You gave her the benefit of the doubt and reconciled ( a mistake, in hindsight) and she squandered that chance.

WhatADrabCarpet · 26/06/2023 14:16

That's no way to live OP, with all that horrid

WhatADrabCarpet · 26/06/2023 14:17

Oops.. nastiness in your lives.

I'd leave them be and live your own lives away from that toxicity.

yoyo1234 · 26/06/2023 14:23

Protect yourself and your children from her (as well as him). Go NC. I would not make a big thing of it just calmly not reply to texts/calls or answer very briefly with little detail. You deserve better than a parent staying by a person's side when they talk to you like that.

Gymnopedie · 26/06/2023 15:00

OP this is bringing you nothing but stress (DM) and abuse (L). Leave them to each other. You can't control her behaviour, but you can control your own. And you need to cut them off for your own sake and that of your DC.

However unlike a PP I wouldn't tell her to get in touch again when L is out of her life, I'd make it permanent. Because if they did split up your mother would immediately expect you and DSis to start accommodating her again, facilitating days out and shopping trips and seeing the grandchildren etc. Not fair on the DC, but more than that I would consider her to have burned her boats with that one. You're not there for her to pick up and put down whenever L is around.

littleripper · 26/06/2023 16:38

She's made her choice, why are are you bothering? All you are doing is pumping up L's ego.
Stop calling, stop seeing her most of all stop wanting to see her, just let go completely. She has made her bed and you need to move on now.

gigihh · 26/06/2023 17:15

Thank you all.

I’ve felt no urge to talk to her today and tbh I feel no urge to talk to her again. She has text to “thank us for her beautiful presents and gorgeous cakes and to let us know that she loves us very much” but it’s just like 🤷🏽‍♀️ whatever. I’ve not read it and swiped it into the archived section.

Dsis and I were planning youngest DC birthday in just under 2 weeks and tbh I’m not sure if I’ll extend the invitation. A. She’ll unlikely to attend as L isn’t invited and she’d have to actually be present in the moment instead of on her phone and B. Eldest DS doesn’t want to talk to her, but I understand that both other DC do adore her and would likely want her there.

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Rainrainstayawaytilseptember · 26/06/2023 20:55

They adore the image they have of a lovely dgm. Not the actual dgm she is. When a court official told my dc ex was great as a box of sweets was handed over I told her if Fred West and come bearing gifts they would have been ecstatic..

gigihh · 26/06/2023 22:50

Rainrainstayawaytilseptember · 26/06/2023 20:55

They adore the image they have of a lovely dgm. Not the actual dgm she is. When a court official told my dc ex was great as a box of sweets was handed over I told her if Fred West and come bearing gifts they would have been ecstatic..

You’re right. They adore the person who she is when he’s off the scene. They’ve actually never seen her when he was really around her. DC1 was 1.5 when I went NC so wouldn’t remember and she didn’t see them again until DC2 was 4, shes only been around for 4 years and DC3 wasn’t even here for the first 2!

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 27/06/2023 18:52

gigihh · 26/06/2023 17:15

Thank you all.

I’ve felt no urge to talk to her today and tbh I feel no urge to talk to her again. She has text to “thank us for her beautiful presents and gorgeous cakes and to let us know that she loves us very much” but it’s just like 🤷🏽‍♀️ whatever. I’ve not read it and swiped it into the archived section.

Dsis and I were planning youngest DC birthday in just under 2 weeks and tbh I’m not sure if I’ll extend the invitation. A. She’ll unlikely to attend as L isn’t invited and she’d have to actually be present in the moment instead of on her phone and B. Eldest DS doesn’t want to talk to her, but I understand that both other DC do adore her and would likely want her there.

She seems to be acting as if nothing has happened and life can go on as normal. I think if you do invite her without having had a discussion about what happened and expressing the feelings you've had about it, then that is the same as you also pretending nothing has happened. This won't demonstrate to her that she crossed a real line.
I also wouldn't put it past L to turn up with her, just to show he is in charge and to make everyone put up with it so that no one will want to make a fuss in front of the DC and upset them.
Your DM has form for saying she will show up and then doesn't.
Perhaps you should just have a nice day out with your DC for the birthday and not mention DM. Maybe they could have a different day to meet up without birthday pressure

gigihh · 27/06/2023 18:59

@DuckbilledSplatterPuff that’s exactly what’s she’s doing and has form for doing. She will act as if nothing is wrong and hope that it’ll blow over.

I’ve said to Dsis that I’m not doing that, I’m not going to allow her to blow the fact she sat there and let L slag off and scream at her kids without a care in the world. In fact the only thing she said about it was to tell ME to stop.

Dsis and BIL messaged her to wish her a happy birthday and got “thanks” back and have heard nothing else, Dsis has said she’s cancelled dinner with my DB (I’m NC) due to him and his fiancée saying L can’t come this was booked in with her since January and that she had an argument with him because “we all need to accept they’re together and to butt out”

Dsis and I were in agreement that we weren’t playing this game with her, she can crack on

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DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 27/06/2023 19:03

I hope you have a lovely birthday celebration for your DC.

gigihh · 27/06/2023 19:04

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 27/06/2023 19:03

I hope you have a lovely birthday celebration for your DC.

Thank you, we're thinking country park and a family meal

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Nowvoyager99 · 27/06/2023 19:07

OP I would be really careful who you give the details to, or she and L will turn up and ruin the day.

gigihh · 27/06/2023 19:09

I will, she would have had to rely on me for the details, Dsis won't give them to her and neither will I. If she tried turning up either alone or with L we'd very quickly either tell them to leave or leave ourselves and it'd be the last thing she'd do

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Acheyknees · 27/06/2023 19:17

You must certainly do not have to accept 'they are together now'. But if I were you I'd take up their offer 'to butt out'

gigihh · 27/06/2023 22:14

Acheyknees · 27/06/2023 19:17

You must certainly do not have to accept 'they are together now'. But if I were you I'd take up their offer 'to butt out'

I accept they're together. Tbh I couldn't give a flying fuck who DM is with, it's not my circus and not my monkeys seeing as she's nearly 60. However what I will not accept is L's behaviour. Dsis let it slip he asked both her and my brother "when I marry DM I'll be your step dad how do you feel about that" Dsis is nearly 40 and my brother is 29. Neither have a relationship with my DF who he regularly likes to talk shit about.

It's just weird. Why would you ask that and why would we need a step father when all of us are adults who have children and have flown the nest! The only person he's not said it to is me funnily enough

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Sceptre86 · 28/06/2023 06:43

Your post is long. Surely by rereading it you would know that yanbu?

I grew up with a mum that would always put us kids first and I would do the same for mine. I find it difficult to fathom why she would allow him to swear at you or repeatedly put him before you. She isn't a 'mother' in any sense of the word ro me. I'd cut all contact but I like a drama free life. She's toxic. I wouldn't reinstate contact after L leaves her, she'll just replace him with someone else and you'll go back to the bottom of her priorities. Don't let her keep treating you like shit.

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