To be sick of living in a country that has decriminalised crime (Scotland)

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As you'll all be aware, it's very hard for an under 25 to be sent to prison now even if they commit a really violent assault or rape that leaves the victim with lifelong injuries. There is no reason for under 25s not to commit crime (aside from their own moral compass:-/ ) unless they're planning to go into a line of work that requires a background check.

Now, the law is being changed so that criminals won't be held in prison on remand except in very rare cases. So, victims will have to cope with dangerous people living alongside them for months and maybe years.

Why do people keep voting for this? And calling it "kindness"? It's frightening. Criminals might be vulnerable but non-criminal vulnerable people are completely stuffed. If you don't have a big threatening guy to chase people off you're fair game.

And news.sky.com/story/amp/myles-harris-rape-12-year-old-girl-scotland-sentence-galashiels-12898196

Rhys Roberts got three years. The judge said he'd have got much longer if he were over 25. He'll also get a discount for time served. His victim said she wished she hadn't bothered.

Well the sentence is being appealed.

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,crown-to-appeal-unduly-lenient-sentence-of-rapist-sean-hogg-spared-jail-over-his-age

So we'll have to see what happens next. Presumably the mitigating factors are taken into account when considering if the sentence passes the sniff test?

Three years means he certainly didn't get away with it, also on the sexual offenders list. I can't see anywhere that the victim says she wishes she hadn't bothered?

I just can't see why any rape victim would put themselves through the hell of a court process just so their attacker (if found guilty) is given a community service or a few months jail time. I mean, where's the justice?

There isn't any. Rape, particularly when carried out by u25s in Scotland, is all but decriminalised.

Why the hell do you keep voting them in?

San Francisco and Seattle are circling the drain because they don't enforce basic public safety measures. I went to a conference in SF twenty years ago, and it was horrid then. It's reportedly worse now. When people started working from home during the pandemic, businesses realized they didn't need to be in the city center, and many have downsized and/or moved to the safer suburbs.

New York City was headed in a similar direction. A former NYPD Captain was elected mayor in 2021 mainly due to the realization that something had to change.

It's not! See my previous post re two very recent cases

@Malbecmoron what, one rapist gets a derisory sentence and the other isn't jailed at all?

This is what frustrates me. The view is entirely taken from the perpetrator’s perception, never the victim’s. I’m sure the background of the rapist is neither here Noelle there if you’re the victim. You still deserve retribution for the crime carried out against you.

No part of Criminal Justice is about retribution.

Guilt or innocence and, if guilty, punishment and rehabilitation.

As ever, so much of public perception is down to the lack of any real Public Legal Education in the UK.

Nonsense on stilts...

If it's anywhere near decriminalised it wouldn't get anywhere near a court and a jury as happened to Hogg.

If it's anywhere near decriminalised it wouldn't get anywhere near a court and a jury as happened to Hogg

Which is an absolute waste of everyone's time if the punishment is that lenient.

This person was under 25 (23) when he raped and murdered a poor lady when she was walking home after a night out. Because he is under 25 he got a few years knocked off his sentence. You know at that age (and younger) what you are doing is wrong so I don’t see why they should get less of a sentence. He will be the same age as his victim when he is due to be released 😡. He should never be released after what he did!! Jill Barclay murder.

Both were given custodial sentences.

Both were given custodial sentences.

Sean Hogg wasn't given a custodial sentence, he just had to do community work.

Ah, but, people have feelings about that which would make that a legitimate sentence for being found guilty of raping a child -

The sentence for murder is life imprisonment. Knocking a couple of years off the amount Bennet will serve before the Parole Board can even consider his release on licence isn't what the (Scottish) Sun pretends.

The SNP are fucking nuts, and their Green accomplices even more so.

Because 45% want independence over and above anything else

The 55% unionist vote splits between Labour, Lib Dem and Tories.

This isn't just an issue in Scotland. Where I live in the English East Midlands the Police appear to have given up on all but the most serious crimes.
Shoplifting, antisocial behaviour, street racing and open smoking of weed are all commonplace and ignored by Police.

Nobody did vote it though. It was not in the SNP manifesto. Nobody would vote it!

Did Hogg and the 13yo know each other before he raped her?

Reports focus on his current age, 21. When this happened he was 17.

It's all about facts at the time.

So you can be found guilty of raping a 12yo when you are 17 years old and knowing them in advance is a mitigating factor because....?

Fill in the blanks for me.