To be sick of living in a country that has decriminalised crime (Scotland)

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As you'll all be aware, it's very hard for an under 25 to be sent to prison now even if they commit a really violent assault or rape that leaves the victim with lifelong injuries. There is no reason for under 25s not to commit crime (aside from their own moral compass:-/ ) unless they're planning to go into a line of work that requires a background check.

Now, the law is being changed so that criminals won't be held in prison on remand except in very rare cases. So, victims will have to cope with dangerous people living alongside them for months and maybe years.

Why do people keep voting for this? And calling it "kindness"? It's frightening. Criminals might be vulnerable but non-criminal vulnerable people are completely stuffed. If you don't have a big threatening guy to chase people off you're fair game.

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Prison doesn’t work. That’s very clear. But as a PP pointed out the alternatives only work if you resource and fund them and look at the root causes of crime. And the American system is mental. A lot more people are in prison for very minor crimes there

Prison works because it keeps you safe while your attacker is locked away. Don't belittle a few years' peace of mind.

It also absolutely was a deterrent. As above, if you are under 25 you might as well do what you want and take what you want. If an under 25 hits you, no big deal for them. If you hit them back, possible prison. It is unsafe.

Of course prison works.

A child rapist in prison for 10+ years isn't going to rape another child for 10+ years.

It's liberal bollocks to say "prison doesn't work". Build more of them and lock up more serious criminals, not fewer.

I didn’t know that - it’s crazy. I know under 25s’ brains aren’t fully developed but they certainly know right from wrong at a much younger age.

Yeah, plus prison primarily exists to keep dangerous people off the streets. The notion that most people in there just accidentally forgot to pay their TV licence is rubbish.

Not be too ridiculous or take away from the gravity but is wee Nippy and her acolytes hoping this will save them from.a penal sentence? (Or they'll just self Id as 19?...)

Loving the generalisations about Scottish people thinking X or Y, as if we all move in a whole homogenous mass. And that other trope, if you don't vote SNP, you're a Tory.

Yes it's a shitshow up here with all sorts of things including male rapists being considered a woman and addressed as such, plans to scrap exams, money wasted on a deposit scheme which is not going ahead, and a missing £600k and Sturgeon being arrested.

Hoping that the scales are starting to fall from the eyes of the Braveheart contingent.

If you're sick of living there, move.

I've been Scottish for all of my life and I'm very comfortable with that generalisation. There's almost total political homogeneity. Some people are nationalists and some people are not but the underlying values system is the same.

Looking at moving but my husband is under long term renal care so it's a scary leap into the unknown. Ten years ago we could have happily moved to Europe :( not that anywhere is perfect.

Its terrifying to me that under 25s basically now have a free pass to rape anyone they want. Are we all meant to pretend that a 24 year old is not mature enough to understand that rape is wrong? Because if that’s the case, they shouldn’t be allowed to drink, drive, have sex or go out unsupervised either.

Would Scotland have voted to remain in Europe if the Nats had added to the question - and if you don't we will assume that you want independence

I didn't see it on my ballot paper so this constant ' Scots people want independence' is not held up by the stats. I thinkit's just over half want independence (but no one has ever asked me this and I'm in Scotland) and just over half don't.

The truth would be 'Some Scots want independence' - but that doesn't suit the wind up merchants in the media. you had your chance and blew it.

Prescription charges in England max out at about £120. Not really worth the extra £2,500 in income tax I pay tbh...

Husband pays the same. We really should move it's not like English hospitals don't have nephrologists!

Ironically it's often sold as being anti-racist, but it also tends to hit poor areas with lots of non-white people hardest. Those are the people in communities full of criminals who lose services when they leave the area.

Well that went there fast.

Anyway, OP I agree and with other pp that we need to put more people in prison for crimes and longer sentences. Take criminals out of the streets even if we have to build specific centres for different crimes, therefore having different punishments.

Criminals who disturb (and in many cases, abuse) other people's human rights shoulgn't get the choice to have theirs respected, bar the minimum.

And while we're at it, I'm also for the chair for heinous crimes! I don't think it makes sense to say 'either life is valuable or isn't'. Life is valuable to some extent. When you don't value life, you don't get to have yours valued.

Scotland's health care system performs better than it's UK counter parts and it has a lower crime rate too. So if those are your two over riding concerns I wouldn't move south if I were you.

Scotland's health care system performs better than it's UK counter parts

Does it bollocks. Can't believe that there are STILL people out there prepared to defend the Scot Gov after all the recent shenanigans with motor homes, arrests and missing money.

That is such a cheeky comment. How dare you?? We don't dislike English. Take your narrow minded head out of your arse

I don't think that holds true anymore. GP's avoid referring to specialists at all cost and have done for a few years (based on my experience and that of my wider circle). I've been waiting 2 years for an op I was meant to have in 12 weeks. Also been waiting a year for an orthopaedic appointment and had to go private for a dentist.

My dental practice has had to scrap their NHS provision so I'm also private now. They weren't getting adequate funding to offer it.

This thread reminds me of being on jury service a few years ago (England). The guy was found guilty of theft and his barrister was asking for community service. His client had been through borstal and prison many, many times so that route was not working. The judge agreed that it was not working for this man but said that at least while he was locked up he wasn't helping himself to other people's possessions and making them feel unsafe in their own homes. He got 18 months I think.

I’ve tried very hard but can see no other reason why anyone would vote SNP. And there are LOADS of Scot’s that hate the English. As a Scot living here I see it at least on a weekly basis. It’s so cringe! It’s these people who are narrow minded!

You do know the Scottish government consists of more than 3 people right? I mean two of those arrested weren't even IN the Scottish government. It's always funny seeing the rabid unionists loose their shit over anything the SNP does while simultaneously ignoring the infinitely greater scandal and corruption of the UK government members 😂.

But for clarity if Sturgeon, Murrell, and Beattie are charged and found guilty of committing a crime, they should 100% be punished in accordance with the law, barred from politics for life, and in the case of Sturgeon have any lifetime benefits associated with her time in the government stripped.

As for the NHS performance you're just wrong. NHS Scotland has more staff per head, more funding per head, more GPs per head, lower A&E waiting times, faster ambulance response times, lower trearment waiting lists, quicker treatment times, and no parking charges at hospitals. NHS Scotland has outperformed the rUK in all core areas for the last 7 or 8 years at least.

You might not feel that is the case, and I'm not saying that NHS Acotand is brilliantly run, but it IS statistically better than the rUK

Does the Scottish NHS not employ 1/3 more staff than the rest of the UK? Yet it’s STILL shite. That’s so shameful.