To think this is fine?

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Working for 9 hours just twice a week with hour commute there and back.

When you say 9 hour shifts, does that include a lunch break? Or is it 10 hour shifts with an unpaid break?

The commute is far too long for such a low hourly rate. Add that to a nine hour day and I don't feel the reward justifies the hassle.

OP knows how hard it is to recruit level 3 early years practitioners.

It's shocking that they can disguise poor practise by paying over the odds. I'm sure it saves them a great deal of money in the end. Expecting a practitioner to work longer hours off the bat, assuming a staff member is totally free to work all hours because they have no children.

What's the name of your nursery OP? I'll avoid it at all costs, and I'm a level 6 practitioner with well over a decade's experience in early years. You may want to look at how you can attract people to your business vs how cost-efficient it is to hire them.

I said it's fine but I was assuming a normal office job with reasonable salary. Low paid nursery work with a long day has to be local employees, not a commuter

Why wouldn't you describe the shift pattern in the advert if you're fixed on this? Put yourself in the shoes of the people looking at your vacancies, they have plenty to choose from, so going through the faff of applying ot contacting you for information just isn't worth it.

Why would she have to ‘assume’ anything? Isn’t your job advert clear about what the hours involved?

Did you post a few weeks back about struggling to employ nursery staff?

8AM-6PM with unpaid break. Honestly for nurseries, the rate of pay is very good but she will be better off as some of you have said, looking for something closer to home or working in a different childcare role if she doesn't want those long hours.

I wouldn't commute an hour each way for a nursery job, when there are plenty on the doorstep.

just because she doesn't have kids doesn't mean she wasn't to be out the house for those days.

if you can't recruit staff you need to work out why that is (beyond a general shortage)

tead your posts, that might shed some light.

in future, Dave everyone's time by being ckear on the phone/email about what you need.

So that’s actually a 10 hour day. That’s very long, I wouldn’t do it especially with a long commute. Can you look at shorter shifts?

Well why are you asking?

I would not commute 1 hour for that. Even for that rate of pay. It's actually ridiculous to expect it. I could get a job at a Busy Bees in my town for £2 less, but the petrol costs and my own sleep and time at home would make it worthwhile. I assume you know that minimum wage is approaching £11.

Recruit closer to home. And take care of your staff. We're in high demand.

Well, I just wondered what the general view was. As I said, I thought most applying to nurseries would know how long the shifts can be.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4814026-to-wonder-why-they-wouldnt-want-to-do-this

For the manager of a nursery, you seem constantly surprised when people don’t want to work for the pay/conditions you are offering. Perhaps you need to rethink what you are expecting staff to do!

Have you managed a nursery for long?

The staff at my DCs nursery do shorter shifts. Some do the early start and finish early, some do the later shift. They are all lively and the nursery have no problems recruiting or retaining staff.

I wouldn't work a 10 hour day plus a 2 hour commute for £117 🤷‍♀️

I mean, can you blame her?

Lovely not lively

10 years in nurseries. 2 in management.
I know there is a recruitment crisis but we pay well, much more than other nurseries in the area.

Early years jobs are variable. Not all nurseries observe the same hours as yours, and not all expect a full 10 hour 8-6 shift. £13 ph is a fantastic wage though - I would have leapt at that as a newly qualified practitioner. Look at local colleges and unis with early years qualifications.

Just because you pay more than others doesn't mean you pay well.

Why do staff have to work ten hour days without a paid break? Can't people do shifts?

Same in every nursery I know. Normal shifts; some staff do mornings and others do evenings. Only accept as many early drop off/late pickup kids as you can staff.

My dd works in a nursery at £11 an hour ,she does 10 hour days , she would love £13 an hour ! I suppose it depends what the woman's circumstances are as most people couldn't live off doing 18 hours a week .

No, I would not do that .

I did for a time, work in a nursery open from 7.30-6pm.

Staff start times were all staggered, some staff there for opening 7.30, more arrive at 8.30, then 9.30 and 10am. Staff go home 4pm, 5pm, 6pm and 6.30.

No way wouid I do 8-6 in a nursery with 2 hours commute on top.

You also need to be aware that many early years practitioners have children of their own, and therefore can only do shifts revolving around their own childcare.

8-6 is just not viable for many practitioners. Split the job, hire several people for part time hours. It gets complicated but it's going to be very hard for you to hire experienced early years practitioners to do 8-6.

I'd do it but a) commute and b) I like my work-life balance. I work 3 days a week at a preschool and it's wonderful. I would never want to work at a day nursery ever again.

You keep repeating that you pay well but there's obviously something off-putting to applicants if they keep turning down the job. This is at least the second time you've posted about this so you must know whatever you're doing or offering is just not working. You come across as quite passive aggressive, the way you keep insisting that it's a good job offer and that people should be expecting to work long hours, accept a two hour commute as standard etc. Maybe it's your demands and interviewing technique that's putting people off.

It’s the commute that would put me off - regardless of the length of shift!

Doing two long shifts would be more cost effective for petrol/parking/bus fares than 4 shorter ones though.