Alan Carr - stuffs herb into mouth of team member who says she is allergic to it

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‘I used to say awful things’: Alan Carr on divorce, dating and the skit that haunts him | Alan Carr | The Guardian

Idiot. There is so much to say about this - power, control and a total lack of understanding of allergies.

"We’re in a big echoing loft with wood floors and he’s talking to his team as if they are all on stage and I – sitting in the corner – am the audience. He wants to know why one of them is picking bits out of her salad. He doesn’t accept that she’s allergic to coriander. Whoever heard of being allergic to coriander?"

There are six of us in this photo studio, including Carr’s manager, makeup, wardrobe and a publicist from ITV. He picks up the coriander and stuffs it into the mouth of the woman who said she was allergic. “See!” he declares, triumphant. “You’re not really allergic. If you were, you’d be dead by now.” He cackles. Everyone else cackles. It’s like the canned laughter of witches"

I just don't know what to say about this. Some allergies are less well known but still cause allergic reactions. And should be taken seriously.

I'm not seeing things as black and white as you. On an AIBU thread, I'm counteracting other opinions. That's ignorant to you? I'm not a sheep.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about and/or are just being deliberately goady.

Would you be ok with someone shoving food into your mouth? Do you think that's a normal thing for someone to do to a staff member?

Carr is a grade A prick, media land is full of them. Nasty, toxic, mysoginist, narcissistic wankers sailing along on the 'camp comedy' boat. His shtick is 1 step away from drag mysogyny.

@Artycrafts

I'm sure you're not actually stupid so I can only assume you're being goady.

Enjoy your day!

So what do you think?

Is it ok for someone to stuff something into someone's mouth when they say they are allergic to and you don't believe they are because you haven't heard of that allergy?

Because it sounds like that's what you believe

That's what I don't get about @Artycrafts' posts. What bit of OP's opinion they think is unreasonable. They haven't explained that at all.

And it's funny they keep berating OP for having a strong opinion about the incident because she isn't personally affected... when they seem to have very strong opinions on OP's opinion, which doesn't affect them personally 😂

It's depressing to read some of the responses on here. DS has allergies and is soon going to navigate his way in the world. I worry about them and also how they can limit what he wants to do and the social aspects of life where eating and drinking are an important part.

You would have thought that people would take them more seriously given the prominent deaths that have happened. Seems not.

Goady because I disagree? Yeah, ok 🙄

On reading the title of the thread I thought ( very ) initially it was about the other Alan Carr, the one who helps you give up smoking, sugar etc. and thought "Oh ! Stuff herbs in to your mouth to help you stop smoking. I wonder does it work for people."
🙄😂
Then I realised it was Alan Carr television star.
Who I'm not a fan of.

What do you disagree with?

Do you agree with me that it's NOT ok to stuff food into the mouth of someone who says they are allergic.

Goady because I disagree? Yeah, ok

What do you disagree with though? What is it the OP has said that you think is incorrect or unreasonable?

Interesting article about it

Famous comedian is an allergy bully | What Allergy Blog

It's the allergy, itself I'm arguing about because I'm not seeing it. It may have been the case but looking at this article, I'm not seeing it as a serious allergy.

Are you an immunologist, @Artycrafts? A medical doctor with specific training in allergies? A lawyer?

I'm guessing not, because you are unbelievably wrong about this.

1 There are multiple types of allergy. And varying degrees of severity for each type.

A reaction can be immediate and serious, immediate and mild, delayed and serious, or delayed and mild. ('Mild' can still be very unpleasant, but not life threatening) And some reactions are dose dependent.

If you have a mild,.dose-dependent allergy it is perfectly reasonable to pick out the ingredients if it's only a few bits.

My DP and DM both have oral allergy syndrome (which is the type of allergy coriander usually causes). If they pick the ingredient in question out of a salad the reaction is very slight tingling, so not enough to bother sending the dish back. Eating a handful.of it would cause a much bigger and more troublesome reaction For the next 24 hours. Their reaction is fairly quick but not immediate - it takes a few minutes - and if it was a small amount it's not visible to an external observer. So when Carr thinks he's 'disproved' the allergy, he is wrong.

I have a more serious (but still not life threatening) allergy of a different type. I could eat a whole bowl of the problem food and show no reaction at all for several hours. But eating even a teaspoon of it means I will be noticably ill for several weeks, and it takes about 3 months for the damage caused to heal.

1. None of that is actually relevant because stuffing an unwanted item into a person's mouth is assault whether they have an allergy or not. If the person has an allergy (especially if the attacker knows about it), that raises the charge from common assault to at least ABH.

As for the idea that it's all a bit of journalist whimsy, any editor is going to challenge a description of a criminal act by an identifiable person - because if it didn't happen they are going to be sued for libel. The writer had better be damned sure of the facts before it gets into print.

It doesn't actually matter whether she was allergic or not.

I agree.

To me it seems like an aggressive act, rather than a funny one.

You're right that Tymon never gave an interview. His comments were reported in the press. https://www.pressreader.com/uk/sunday-mirror/20150315/281625303781331

He did fear for his job.

Agreed. How can anyone believe he literally picked up multiple pieces of coriander, forced simeone's mouth open and put it inside.

At best it was probably picked up and pretended to feed it to person.

There are plenty of stories of things that celebrities have done that people would not believe.

But have happened.

If it didn't happen the way described, then I am sure we will see some kind of statement from him?

Yet he doesn't see the parallel between forcing your cock into someone's mouth and forcing unwanted food into someone's mouth? He's paying lip service to changing his tune and the writer has cleverly made that obvious.

Or indeed any of the other people there, including the woman who said she was allergic to coriander.

Yanbu. I thought the same when I read the article last week. All I could think, hope of him, was he knew he very well and knew she didn't like the taste of it rather than a full blown allergy. But that said, no one should ever mess about where allergies are concerned. It's not a joke to have your mouth and throat swell up.

And even if someone just doesn't like something, and isn't allergic, shoving it into their mouth against their will is still absolutely fucking bizarre and unacceptable behaviour.

I wonder what he thought when the article came out?

I wonder if he has actually read it and wondered if he might not come across very well with this incident?