Prison sentences for violent crimes piss me off.

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Ever notice how sentencing for acid attacks or domestic violence, rape, SA, child SA are absolutely piss poor.
Look at Charles Bronson or Robert Maudsley's sentencing, neither ever hurt a woman or child.
Colin Pitchfork/Paul Gadd (Gary Glitter) etc get let out to reoffend.
Even acid attacks and their horrific nature aren't given massive sentences from what I've seen?
My theory is because it doesn't really affect men.
I just find the prison sentencing in the UK to be a bad joke and I'm prepared here with my hard hat on to be told I'm unreasonable.
But with the rise of incels, violent porn, the Andrew Tate brigade etc, that times are just getting worse for women and children?

I think we should be way less tolerant of violence anywhere and with anyone, and really tackle it as a society. This would be multi-faceted, with a lot of early prevention in families and with any kids showing aggression or violence, redirecting into more positive ways of coping and tackling the causes. Then very good interventions as soon as police are involved, even if not charged. And yes I also think that repeat violent offenders should get the prison time over those who do not harm others.

Glasgow successfully lowered their rates of knife crime through a zero tolerance approach working at all levels, schools, community etc.

I also cannot believe that people get off with nothing watching child abuse. They create that market, that has to have some kind of heavy punishment.

@DdraigGoch I am not saying I agree with it, but it’s where we are at unfortunately. The Government aren’t prepared to invest money in criminal justice, and have made a right pig’s ear of recent legislation. We all pay the price for that.

They don’t get off with nothing. Where did that come from?

Don't worry, I didn't take your post as an endorsement of government policy, just quoting it.

@DdraigGoch of course they can be, I didn't say they should get off scot free but it needs to be taken into account in terms of sentencing. The age of criminal culpability in the UK is one of the youngest in the world and I don't think it reflects well on us when we know for a fact that their brain development isn't finished yet and the areas around decision making, impulsively and understanding consequences and long term impact are some of the last to fully develop. You can't ask someone to make decisions they don't have the physical ability to make and then hold them fully responsible. Plus I do think there's a lot can be done with young people to intervene and when you look at the statistics, it's usually children and young people in the care system and from significantly disadvantaged backgrounds who are over represented in the justice system. These are vulnerable children and that needs to be taken into account.

Also in relation to voting, I think young people need more education and information around their options politically before I'd suggest they vote otherwise they'll likely go with what way their family vote anyway. But I think that including young people and encouraging them to have a say and a place in their communities and actively thinking about what future they want to create actively works against antisocial behaviour which is why most youth services promote good citizenship as part of their work.

Well OP, you're part of the problem. And so is everyone else, it's OUR fault.

As a society, we don't the first clue about what we actually want from our Government. It's easy to be critical, but we have to step back and look at what we created. We got exactly what we "asked" for in terms of public services.

We want the police to deal with ASB, fine, but they better not ever speak to our own child, if they do we will make complaints, accusations and call them bullies.

We want the police to arrest dangerous armed criminals, but those officers better think twice before they use any kind of force, because hey, they're ALL just bullies in uniform and how hard can it be to arrest a skinny 14 year old gang member who just stabbed some kid in the park as part of some gang initiation. I mean come on, using a Taser to arrest an armed criminal, those officers need to be put in prison you all cry.

We want convicted criminals to be locked up, but not actually punished, because that would make them feel stressed, or even, God Forbid, offended! And we don't like the idea that people should have ANY authority over anybody anyway.

We are just as important as our Boss (sorry, supervisor, sorry that word is too aggressive, I meant to say, co-worker) because don't forget, we're all equal.

I could go on, the point is you are unhappy with the sentences, but you're not happy to give the police more powers or the money to buy better equipment. You don't want to pay a single penny more in taxes to build more prisons, and you don't know what you want those prisons to do anyway.

Prison is a 2000 year old solution to a modern problem. People commit crime so we convict them and give them a criminal record. Great, now they can't get a job so have no choice but to commit more crime to get money. We set them up to fail.

Prisons are full, there's no space for the prisoners already in there, let alone new ones. We need to work out what we want the police to do before we even talk about prison sentences.

Doesn’t affect men ???. Men are much more likely to the victims of violent attack and twice as likely to be murdered. And it’s not just women who avoid dark alley ways or underpasses. Also, many young lads in inner city areas simply won’t go out on their own, even in broad daylight.

But you are right about sentencing in this country and I find the Colin Pitchfork thing wholly unacceptable. He murdered two young girls. How is that not a full life term ?.

In my opinion we don’t have a Justice System in this country, just a legal frame work. I should know.

Like the man in Scotland who raped the 13 year old girl and walk away with no prison time because he was under 25? I’m sure it will bring great comfort to the victim, to know that the man was under 25 so wasn’t really at fault. But then she doesn’t really matter does she, it’s all about what’s fair for the rapist. I’m sure it’s a great message to send men under 25 too, you all get one free rape of a woman or child, go at it lads 👍

Yet murder on the street normally results in more prison time than someone murdered in their own home…

Depends on the case in particular. I know of several women who received a v light sentence, And I still don’t understand how. I suspect because they were women.

But in general allowance is given if you plead guilty. In my experience few perpetrators of street crime admit to anything, in fact the don’t usual say anything at all.

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It’s been shown many times that women on average get harsher sentences than men for the same crimes.

Please show me your evidence because in my DIRECT experience I have seen the exact opposite.

The prisons are full. I would decriminalise some drugs and then use the capacity for violent offenders and sex offenders. Drugs are a medical issue: ir used to be regarded as such in the UK.

I'd also like to evidence of sentences being harsher for women!

Completely agree with you. I'd like to see capital punishment brought back for the worst crimes.

Violence and sex offending are dominantly male crimes. Women are a tiny part of the justice system. We don't have pretzel ourselves into equality of sentencing because a) it would be unlawful and b) no man is necessarily given the same sentence as another.

The circumstances of a person and their offending are all different. That's why it's difficult!

Oh would you?

And you are going to be dealing with the families (face to face) then are you?

You are going to be the one administering it all ?

I'd have no problem administering it for paedophiles and rapists.

It's illegal and still would be as long as we are in the ECHR so I wouldn't say the death penalty is back any time soon!

@scorpiogirly

Absolute rubbish! So flippant

You walk the landings then? And still have that opinion?

Huh?

@scorpiogirly exactly! As I thought. You have no clue

I don't see how it's flippant. And it surprises me how many people are against the death penalty.