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Aaaaargh!!! Want to punch him…

75 replies

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 18:57

want to, but won’t of course.

NC but been around a while. Pom Bear. Darked on washing. Mexican house thief.

Hoping to get some perspective on situation with DH. Together 18 years. Two DC primary age.

I got home today to find house in complete disarray. No tidying or cleaning done. I was p’d off and showed it. However, was very clear why I was annoyed - housework not done, broken promise, exhausted don’t want to have to do it myself. DH exploded. Was rude and belittling. I started it but I was driven to it…

DH does not see mess. He is chaotic - will leave stuff everywhere. When we met his house was awful. Couldn’t see the carpet as stuff everywhere. No cleaning got done other than washing up after cooking. Housemates that rented rooms would do it. My house, clean and organised most of the time. That’s important to me, always has been.

He asked if we could move in together. I said I’d love to (we are aligned in most other ways and share a lot of commonality) but I couldn’t live like he did. I said its one area I can’t and won’t compromise on. I am not obsessive but like it clean and tidy. He said great, I love your place and would rather live in a clean and tidy house, it’s nicer. New age man, has never suggested ‘that’s woman’s work’. In theory knows he should ‘pull his weight’.

We moved in, got married, bought a house and started a family.

Well, you can predict where this is going.

Over the years it has been a constant battle. On mat leave I did most of the cleaning. And before that. His view was always ‘I don’t care about it, you do’. I went back to work part time. Still did the bulk of it. He’d ‘help out’ when asked but I had all the mental load and did all the emotional labour. As well as most of the day to day domestic stuff. Visitors - cleaning and cooking mostly me. You get the idea.

I got burnt out - despite working part time, the nature of my job exhausts me. I was rock bottom. Crying weekly. Lots of arguments. He was working full time but at projects he hoped to (but didn’t) make money from.

So we had a talk and between us agreed on minimum standards - I thought that if it’s only me that wants it clean then it’s only fair we meet half way. Agreed (mutually) minimum standards, used Fair Play cards to divvy things up. Used TOM to try and limit time spent on cleaning but keep it to a decent standard. All agreed mutually and calmly. It got better. It was ok. I still did more but he upped his game.

We moved to be closer to family, it means a longer commute for me. I said I was concerned re commute as I already get exhausted by work (health problems) and I said I was worried the house would get chaotic. He promised he’d pick up the slack.

So. Tonight I couldn’t keep calm. I came home, not for the first week, and house is in chaos. I’m knackered after three long and gruelling days at work, providing financial stability for us all. He works less hours than me now (retrained). Is essentially a SAHP with a very part time job and occasional extra work when it comes in. He doesn’t work when I’m at work unless some extra work has come in - which is rare.

So. Was IU to get snippy and irritable? I
tried really hard to not say anything but just couldn’t hide the sense of ‘now I’ve got to spend my day tidying and cleaning, which means I can’t do the other things I want to do - sort the garden, put the winter clothes into storage, meet a friend for coffee etc). Of course I still could do those things but the deal was that we keep a tidy-ish house and I hate it when it’s not. It depresses me. I can’t relax properly when I can see everything that needs doing. He said I should wait to see if he does it by the end of the week before I moan but he knows I’ll do it because I don’t want to leave it (he wouldn’t have done it - would have done a bit).

argh. Sorry it’s so long. Don’t want to drip feed. AIBU or would you P’d off too?

OP posts:
randomuser2019 · 07/06/2023 23:47

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Aquamarine1029 · 07/06/2023 23:49

SwordToFlamethrower · 07/06/2023 23:19

"I won't be able to tolerate this forever. Eventually this will lead to our relationship ending. Either you permanently step up or we split up permanently."

Fucking hell, don't threaten your husband with this weak nonsense.

"Eventually?" The op has been a mug and tolerating this shit for 18 years. Her husband couldn't give a fuck.

AnneLovesGilbert · 07/06/2023 23:51

He’s a disgrace and of course YANBU to be raging about it.

How old are the children and would he say he was the primary parent if you split up? If he’s mostly a SAHP and does all the school runs etc are you at risk of being the NRP?

Before completely blowing your top and kicking him out I’d get advice on how it might play out.

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/06/2023 00:08

He does the bins

I don't understand why this appears so often in the 'pro' column for men. It's barely a job - 5 minutes once a week. You might as well list 'picks up post from the doormat' - at least that's a daily task.

Riv · 08/06/2023 00:11

The article mentioned by a pp is here . written by a man whose wife divorced him He thought it was over leaving cups on top of the dishwasher. He realised too late just how disrespectful he’d been over the years and wrote a letter / blog for men who were treating their partners like he had done.
I'm sure you will remember it, it was often quoted around the time of the darked on washing threads!

Blog – Matthew Fray

https://matthewfray.com/blog/

Aquamarine1029 · 08/06/2023 00:15

BinturongsSmellOfPopcorn · 08/06/2023 00:08

He does the bins

I don't understand why this appears so often in the 'pro' column for men. It's barely a job - 5 minutes once a week. You might as well list 'picks up post from the doormat' - at least that's a daily task.

It's not a "job." My kids were doing this as their regular chore before they were ten years old. To give kudos to a grown man for doing this is pathetic.

Lacucuracha · 08/06/2023 00:25

He sounds like a cocklodger on the make. Dump him.

Newestname002 · 08/06/2023 02:18

or he works full time and you go sahm or part time.

I would not want to trust my happiness nor, more importantly, my financial security to someone like OP's husband. 🌹

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 02:48

AnneLovesGilbert · Yesterday 23:51
He’s a disgrace and of course YANBU to be raging about it.

How old are the children and would he say he was the primary parent if you split up? If he’s mostly a SAHP and does all the school runs etc are you at risk of being the NRP?

Yes. He would say that and he would go for that. DC are last couple of years of primary. That’s a horrible thought.

OP posts:
DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 02:50

That’s pretty clear then. Sounds like my grumpyiness and irritation were NU. Thanks so much to all for posting. I felt like I was going mad as I felt reasonable but the ‘look at everything I have done’ threw me off.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 08/06/2023 02:54

What he's doing is downright cruel, and possibly even cunning.

Would he want custody of the children, the house, and for you to pay child support if you were to divorce?

mathanxiety · 08/06/2023 02:55

X- post

BubblyBunchOfCoconuts · 08/06/2023 02:59

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 19:03

To be clear, it’s rare he does all the cleaning and tidying we had agreed. Always leaves a bit at least. He will regularly do about 15% and sometimes gets up to around 80% but that’s rare. I’d be happy with a reliable 50% so I’m not expecting perfection.

Stopped reading when you said you couldn't see his floor🙄

Codlingmoths · 08/06/2023 04:02

I see the bit where he would get custody. Is there a room in the house you can make yours? Basically he’s not allowed into it. So you can come home and decompress in your clean space, to help you step over the mess in the rest of the house. Put a lock on it if he’s being arsey about it.

and, If he gets the dc dressed and to school etc, if you did nothing at home for a few weeks that would get messy to the point of making it harder for him wouldn’t it? Id be doing that. Tell yourself every day as you get up and as you come in the door that if you were dying of cancer you wouldn’t be cleaning up, and you are just supporting him to be a decent dad in case something happens to you. And do N.O.T.H.I.N.G

theGooHasGone · 08/06/2023 04:14

As others have said he won't change, and you can't force him to. Getting a cleaner sounds like the easiest method if everything else in the relationship is OK. If not, live separately or split up.

10Minutestobedtime · 08/06/2023 04:19

Why does your husband work part time? Could he change jobs/increase his hours to pay for a cleaner?

TheHighQueenOfTheFarRealm · 08/06/2023 08:32

You are definitely not unreasonable.
Does he have a list of what the basic chores are? That should be a reference point for his daily tasks and might help to structure what he can't see.

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 09:22

Thank you for all the ideas. My plan;

create a foolproof list (again - we had this before and it was better but then moved house).

give him some very clear things to do before I get home - just put things that are not in use away basically and move pots to be washed to the sink area. I’m not asking for the effing moon!

Why does he work part time? He retrained to do something he loves. The move means there is less work about for him and a longer commute for me so agreed he would take on the bulk of domestic stuff. I can earn three times his income so financially it makes sense this way around.

After I got very angry about him dropping a couple of important balls for the DC re school stuff he does now hold the mental load more - he will sort uniform and stuff for after school clubs etc so that feels easier. I now leave that to him.

I have tried stepping back and it just gets worse and worse and I get more and more depressed. I just did it last night. Took me two hours max but now I have woken up and have a bit more head space to look after myself and enjoy my hobby!

Thank you fellow MNetters.

OP posts:
Hoppinggreen · 08/06/2023 09:30

He’s basically lazy and (understandably) you have enabled him for a long time.
He isn’t going to change so you need to decide what to do - put up with it or leave. Sounds like he is in theory the main caregiver for the children so you need to consider that

KVick · 08/06/2023 10:16

Why would you marry (and share your DNA!) with a specific type of guy (in this case, a slob) and then expect for him to somehow become a whole different person? I will never understand this. There are neat-nick fellows out there. If this quality was that important to you, you should have held out for one of those!

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 10:23

Hoppinggreen

That’s just it though. He’s not lazy. He’s always ‘doing something’. It’s just not cleaning. When he does do cleaning he is very slow, and it’s ‘performance cleaning’. It will be a ‘big thing’. Hard to explain but it’s never quick and efficient. You know that he’s cleaning.

OP posts:
DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 10:25

KVick

Well, we align on most other things. Values. Politics. Humour. Interests. And he said he’d be better and I believed him - ha ha ha ha. Hindsight is a wonderful thing!

OP posts:
Catchasingmewithspiders · 08/06/2023 11:01

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 09:22

Thank you for all the ideas. My plan;

create a foolproof list (again - we had this before and it was better but then moved house).

give him some very clear things to do before I get home - just put things that are not in use away basically and move pots to be washed to the sink area. I’m not asking for the effing moon!

Why does he work part time? He retrained to do something he loves. The move means there is less work about for him and a longer commute for me so agreed he would take on the bulk of domestic stuff. I can earn three times his income so financially it makes sense this way around.

After I got very angry about him dropping a couple of important balls for the DC re school stuff he does now hold the mental load more - he will sort uniform and stuff for after school clubs etc so that feels easier. I now leave that to him.

I have tried stepping back and it just gets worse and worse and I get more and more depressed. I just did it last night. Took me two hours max but now I have woken up and have a bit more head space to look after myself and enjoy my hobby!

Thank you fellow MNetters.

Think of this from an agreement point of view.

As a couple you agreed he would work part time and take up the domestic load.

He has failed his end of that agreement.

Therefore he needs to ensure the domestic load is covered and if that means working more hours to pay for a cleaner then so be it.

Many of us don't have the luxury of work being something we love, instead we have to do a job we can tolerate in order to pay the bills.

He is relying on you to be the breadwinner and to allow him the freedom to work part time at the job he lives whilst not actually doing anything to facilitate you keeping that job.

Riv · 09/06/2023 08:10

Great list! I’d add getting him to read a bit of that blog to your list too- he’s rejigged a bit - think this bit is closest to the original I was thinking about. An Open Letter to Shitty Husbands, Vol. 5
it’s a bit “American” and there’s lots of adverts for his book (typical man making money by saying what women have been saying for years) but the reasonings are sound and he just might “get it “ from another man 🤷🏻‍♀️

An Open Letter to Shitty Husbands, Vol. 5 – Matthew Fray

https://matthewfray.com/2014/01/05/an-open-letter-to-shitty-husbands-vol-5/

billy1966 · 09/06/2023 09:14

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 08/06/2023 10:23

Hoppinggreen

That’s just it though. He’s not lazy. He’s always ‘doing something’. It’s just not cleaning. When he does do cleaning he is very slow, and it’s ‘performance cleaning’. It will be a ‘big thing’. Hard to explain but it’s never quick and efficient. You know that he’s cleaning.

Absolutely deliberate on his part.

A deliberate fxxk you, every single time he can't be arsed to share the load.

How women can stomach being around men like this, much less marry and procreate with them is so beyond me.

Selfishness is so unattractive.

Men like your husband is the reason so many women are so happily single.

They simply couldn't bear to share their lives and space with such losers.

How you can post you share "values" with such a waster is also strange.

Think about that OP,.... because is it possible to really share values with a lazy selfish loser that doesn't pull his weight in any area, when YOU work so hard?

I think you have a vastly different set of values and sense of simply decency IMO.

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