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Aaaaargh!!! Want to punch him…

75 replies

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 18:57

want to, but won’t of course.

NC but been around a while. Pom Bear. Darked on washing. Mexican house thief.

Hoping to get some perspective on situation with DH. Together 18 years. Two DC primary age.

I got home today to find house in complete disarray. No tidying or cleaning done. I was p’d off and showed it. However, was very clear why I was annoyed - housework not done, broken promise, exhausted don’t want to have to do it myself. DH exploded. Was rude and belittling. I started it but I was driven to it…

DH does not see mess. He is chaotic - will leave stuff everywhere. When we met his house was awful. Couldn’t see the carpet as stuff everywhere. No cleaning got done other than washing up after cooking. Housemates that rented rooms would do it. My house, clean and organised most of the time. That’s important to me, always has been.

He asked if we could move in together. I said I’d love to (we are aligned in most other ways and share a lot of commonality) but I couldn’t live like he did. I said its one area I can’t and won’t compromise on. I am not obsessive but like it clean and tidy. He said great, I love your place and would rather live in a clean and tidy house, it’s nicer. New age man, has never suggested ‘that’s woman’s work’. In theory knows he should ‘pull his weight’.

We moved in, got married, bought a house and started a family.

Well, you can predict where this is going.

Over the years it has been a constant battle. On mat leave I did most of the cleaning. And before that. His view was always ‘I don’t care about it, you do’. I went back to work part time. Still did the bulk of it. He’d ‘help out’ when asked but I had all the mental load and did all the emotional labour. As well as most of the day to day domestic stuff. Visitors - cleaning and cooking mostly me. You get the idea.

I got burnt out - despite working part time, the nature of my job exhausts me. I was rock bottom. Crying weekly. Lots of arguments. He was working full time but at projects he hoped to (but didn’t) make money from.

So we had a talk and between us agreed on minimum standards - I thought that if it’s only me that wants it clean then it’s only fair we meet half way. Agreed (mutually) minimum standards, used Fair Play cards to divvy things up. Used TOM to try and limit time spent on cleaning but keep it to a decent standard. All agreed mutually and calmly. It got better. It was ok. I still did more but he upped his game.

We moved to be closer to family, it means a longer commute for me. I said I was concerned re commute as I already get exhausted by work (health problems) and I said I was worried the house would get chaotic. He promised he’d pick up the slack.

So. Tonight I couldn’t keep calm. I came home, not for the first week, and house is in chaos. I’m knackered after three long and gruelling days at work, providing financial stability for us all. He works less hours than me now (retrained). Is essentially a SAHP with a very part time job and occasional extra work when it comes in. He doesn’t work when I’m at work unless some extra work has come in - which is rare.

So. Was IU to get snippy and irritable? I
tried really hard to not say anything but just couldn’t hide the sense of ‘now I’ve got to spend my day tidying and cleaning, which means I can’t do the other things I want to do - sort the garden, put the winter clothes into storage, meet a friend for coffee etc). Of course I still could do those things but the deal was that we keep a tidy-ish house and I hate it when it’s not. It depresses me. I can’t relax properly when I can see everything that needs doing. He said I should wait to see if he does it by the end of the week before I moan but he knows I’ll do it because I don’t want to leave it (he wouldn’t have done it - would have done a bit).

argh. Sorry it’s so long. Don’t want to drip feed. AIBU or would you P’d off too?

OP posts:
Grumpy101 · 07/06/2023 21:35

You:

  1. Work and make money
  2. Do all the cleaning
  3. Carry the whole mental load

He

  1. Barely works and loses money on projects
  2. Does not clean and tidy despite working less
  3. Does not carry mental load

WTF does he bring to the table? WHY are you still with him? He's nothing more than a sperm donor and another child for you to support. LAWYER UP! NOW! YOU CANNOT CHANGE ANOTHER PERSON, THIS IS WHO HE IS!

Also how do I get myself a sweet deal like his? Or does my vagina disqualify me from a life of laziness and non-parenting?

Toseland · 07/06/2023 21:41

HE works more hours and pays for a cleaner.
Or he lives in a separate house.
Or LTB
(Some) men are just like this - some men look for women who put up with it - some men take advantage and even good men do this at times.
Women should strike for better pay and conditions!

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 21:43

Household chore inequity and child care inequality is a form of domestic abuse. It forces women to work themselves into exhaustion and illness, whilst men buy their free time with female exhaustion.

OMG! That is so true.

OP posts:
DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 21:46

To be fair. He is carrying more of the mental load now (I fought hard for that) so he does do after school club stuff and most of school runs etc. that’s been in place for about a year. He does the bins and a fair amount of washing.

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 07/06/2023 21:49

He does the bins and a fair amount of washing.

Fucking hell, he's a real-life superhero. AND he does school runs?! Wow!

Come the fuck on, stop making even more excuses for him. You're making them for you, btw, because it's easier to do that than to face the stone cold reality that he just doesn't respect you enough to be an actual grown-up.

piedbeauty · 07/06/2023 21:50

What I couldn't get past is his not working FT and not bringing in money. What IS the point of him? It's not like he's the perfect SAHP - he doesn't work OR look after the house. Sounds like a lazy, selfish man baby. He gets a lovely life while you run around like a blue-arsed fly.

Do you want this for the next 20 years? I'd be seriously thinking about ending the relationship.

HadEnoughSoTired · 07/06/2023 21:52

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 21:46

To be fair. He is carrying more of the mental load now (I fought hard for that) so he does do after school club stuff and most of school runs etc. that’s been in place for about a year. He does the bins and a fair amount of washing.

blinks

😯

BanditsOnTheHorizon · 07/06/2023 21:56

A lot of the problem is (I've been there), is that if it was just you and your dc it wouldn't be anywhere near as much hard work, because you don't have a grown man who is incapable of being tidy adding to the mess.

My problem with living with someone like this is every time you agree something and he doesn't keep his end of the bargain, is a big 'middle finger' from him to you. It's an 'I don't give a shit about what's important to me' it's 'I don't care that it makes you feel like shit' it's 'I don't care or respect you enough to want to make you happy'

Divorcedalongtime · 07/06/2023 22:01

I am like your DH, I do not see the mess. I can do the washing up and leave cups right in front of me. I have piles with important stuff because if I tidy them away I’ll never find them again. A lot of stuff needs to be always accessible. I can’t change this, I am 50 now.

MysteryBelle · 07/06/2023 22:07

You know the old adage, you can’t change other people, you can only change yourself.

A clean and tidy house is very important to you. It is very not important to him.

I think the only solution to this is for him to work full time (hopefully with overtime possibilities) and you go part time or be full time sahm so that you have the time to keep house to your standard and he has less time at home to create chaos and mess. Logic.

I’ve never said this on mn before, but you truly knew what you were marrying when you moved in with that lazy walking disaster of a mess maker.

Either accept him, or leave him, or he works full time and you go sahm or part time.

3 options. Because he will not change.

VenusOfTheKitchen · 07/06/2023 22:08

Prioritises other things. Then says ‘but I’ve done all this!’ Proudly pointing to whatever random odd job he’s half way through…sigh

I recognise this, it's SO annoying! I feel for you.

TheCreamTeaWasFromMe · 07/06/2023 22:08

Divorcedalongtime · 07/06/2023 22:01

I am like your DH, I do not see the mess. I can do the washing up and leave cups right in front of me. I have piles with important stuff because if I tidy them away I’ll never find them again. A lot of stuff needs to be always accessible. I can’t change this, I am 50 now.

Which is fine if you live alone, or the person you live with is OK with that.

But if you'd moved in with someone, with the specific proviso that you'd pull your weight with household chores because they'd made it clear how important it was to them, would you still do this? Even if the person you lived with made it clear how unhappy they were living in mess and disorder?

BeverlyBrook · 07/06/2023 22:09

He either shapes up or ships out.
You cannot go on like this. You will get ill.

Ragruggers · 07/06/2023 22:11

He needs to work more bring in extra and pay a cleaner from his own money if he doesn’t want to step up and do it.Maybe when it hits his picket he may change his mind.You have more patience than me I would have pushed him out years ago.Good luck.

itsmylife7 · 07/06/2023 22:16

Let this be a learning curve for anyone reading this....if they live in a messy flat/house/room while you're dating......it won't change when you live together.

Nagado · 07/06/2023 22:21

me - you haven’t upped your game etc.
him - how dare you! I’ve done all this. You don’t appreciate what I do do. You are controlling etc etc

The only thing he does do is make your life harder and more unpleasant. So he puts the bins out and does the school run. Big deal. You’ve been doing that for years. Why should you be grateful because he’s taken it upon himself to put shelves up in the loft rather than pick up the clutter all over the floor downstairs? How do a couple of loads of washing over 3 days help family life?

Him calling you controlling is an attempt to manipulate you. ‘Stop asking me to do my share. It interferes with the things I’d rather do. I will accuse you of being controlling and you won’t want to be seen as controlling, so will stop asking me to do stuff and either do it yourself or let it go’. Yes, you knew he was a pig before you married him, but he knew that you didn’t want to compromise on a clean and tidy home before he moved in. You told him it was a deal breaker for you. He’s the one who lied and pretended he wouldn’t treat you like a skivvy.

There’s an article by a man whose wife left him. It’s called something like ‘My wife divorced me for leaving a cup by the sink’. In your position, I would print it out for him to read, tell him that he lied to you about how much he was prepared to contribute and that, as a result, you’re seeing him as little more than a drain on your time and finances and certainly not a sexually attractive partner. So his options are that he either completes his jobs every day as agreed, he works more hours and pays for a regular cleaner, you continue with your marriage in different homes or you divorce him. He has one week to decide or you’ll make the decision for him.

NeedToChangeName · 07/06/2023 22:23

He's happy to live in a clean and tidy house, if someone else keeps it clean and tidy

Unfortunately, he doesn't respect you / your time

Question is, what will you do with that info?

Catchasingmewithspiders · 07/06/2023 22:27

DepressedtodayshouldIbe · 07/06/2023 21:43

Household chore inequity and child care inequality is a form of domestic abuse. It forces women to work themselves into exhaustion and illness, whilst men buy their free time with female exhaustion.

OMG! That is so true.

This is really relevant for you from your OP

He has seen you get to the point of being burnt out, crying weekly etc and he still hasn't actually properly stepped up.

And now with your longer commute because you seem to be the only person reliably bringing in the money you need and you are exhaused he still hasn't stepped up.

You have been at breaking point, you could get to breaking point again. If he's not stepped up already he's never going to, not fully. So he is quite happy buying his free time with your exhaustion and illness.

He doesn't really love or respect you because if he did he wouldn't have let you get to the point of burn out the first time when all he needed to do was a bit extra housework and parenting to stop it.

StopMindlesslyScrolling · 07/06/2023 22:42

You've tried.

You've tried really hard to make him a decent man.

He's proved that he CAN be one, but he CHOOSES NOT to be one for you and your DC.

Let him go.

He can live like a pig in shit and be happy.

You can live closer to work, have a cleaner, calmer house, not financially support a man-child and life will be better.

museumum · 07/06/2023 22:55

Why can’t he work? If he brought in more income then you could get a cleaner. In our family the cleaner coming is a weekly absolute definite non-negotiable deadline on tidying. Even the kids know anything left on the floor on her day will be hoovered up and never seen again. It works in a way that one of us wanting to clean on a specific day never would.

Sarahtm35 · 07/06/2023 23:06

Doesn’t sound like you’re right together.
You need someone who is like you, someone who’ll prioritise housework above everything else, be regimented and strict, perhaps a better provider and he needs someone who is chill and relaxed.
neither of you will ever be happy because you’re two completely different people.

determinedtomakethiswork · 07/06/2023 23:14

Of course, you weren't unreasonable to be annoyed. You were probably unreasonable to be surprised though. You knew exactly what he was like and why what doesn't excuse him, it does make me wonder why on earth you thought he would change.

I think he needs to go back to work full time. God knows what he's doing when you're at work.

Lidlpopdrinker · 07/06/2023 23:17

Yes, I completely sympathise with your wish to kill him, but you knew what he was like, you were deluding yourself thinking he would change. This is who he is, if you can’t live with it you need to have a rethink.

YANBU at all for being fed up to the back teeth of it though, I couldn’t deal with it, as my DC will attest.

SwordToFlamethrower · 07/06/2023 23:19

"I won't be able to tolerate this forever. Eventually this will lead to our relationship ending. Either you permanently step up or we split up permanently."

Wallywobbles · 07/06/2023 23:39

You'd be so much happier divorced. He'd have to get a job and do 50/50. You'd get to just take care of yourself on work days. You'd be such a winner it's difficult to understand why you wouldn't do it.

Move closer to work. Leave him and the mess behind.