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AIBU to want to sabotage my sister's wedding?

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esthersmommy · 07/06/2023 16:46

My sister (19) came to visit for the birth of my baby but I ended up not going into labor before her flight back. She hugged me (F23) and my fiancé (M26) goodbye saying she loved us and would be back. Two days later I received a joint call from her and my other sister (21.) They told me they had something important to tell me and that I needed to sit down. My youngest sister asked if my fiance was home, and when I confirmed that he was, she said we can't tell you right now then. I was anxious at this point and practically screamed to be told right away what was going on. My youngest sister then told me that my fiancé had SAed her the last night of her visit. I remember asking her if she was ok and that I was so sorry and needed to hang up. I immediately confronted my fiance. I've replayed his response over in my mind millions of times. He looked concerned, a little amused and very calm only saying "what are you talking about?" He remained calm as I spiraled into hysterics but eventually the more upset and demanding I became, he got a little mad too. He said he swore on his mother and our baby that nothing had happened. He called my sister twice with no answer. He then told me step-by-step exactly what had happened that night. I tried to remember but my emotions were out of control and I wasn't able to think clearly. My fiance finally lost patience and left for the gym. Now that I had his side, I called my sister back to get to the bottom of it all. She began repeating what she had told me before and I stopped her telling her to tell me step-by-step, beginning-to-end exactly what had happened. It was then that the story changed a little. She said that he had tried to kiss her but she stopped him so he grabbed her and then left. "He grabbed you?" I asked. "He touched my breast!" she snapped. "I was right there 10 feet away in the bedroom," I finally said, "and it couldn't have been 2 minutes... Eleven at night, studio apartment, complete silence, paper walls..." "Well you had gone to shower and everything," she argued,"it wasn't just 2 minutes." (It wasn't until later that I remembered that I had showered early in the morning that day thinking I was going into labor.) I understood before calling her she would probably be upset and not want to tell me everything, but I was surprised to hear her talking with no reticence and possibly excitement? "I'm sorry," she told me, "I know this will have an impact." I was so confused and hung up on her. I knew she was partly lying, but it was her word against his, and I felt sure that something had happened... she couldn't possibly make an accusation out of nothing. My hysterics had brought on contractions and my baby was born shortly after. After 6 months of nightmares, numerous therapists, becoming dangerously skinny, and losing relationships I have finally been able to think about it all coherently. I can finally say that I believe my fiance; that he went to get his phone charger and as he walked by my sister he told her good night with a kiss on the cheek.

A little background:

My fiance of 5 years has never been accepted by my family because he is an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak English or meet my family's financial expectations. When my sister visited it was the first time he had met anyone in my family. He and I were having some serious trust issues around the time this all went down and it was worsened because I felt torn between him and my family. For a solid month I firmly believed that he had assaulted my sister and told him to leave our home. After therapy and some hindsight, I see how we were both wronged in this false accusation and how my own history of SA affected my distrust of my fiance. He is not perfect, but he has never stopped coming back trying to prove himself and is encouraging me in therapy and whatever else we need to improve our relationship. (I THINK IT'S SO F'D UP BTW THAT SHE KNEW WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS AND THAT NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE HIM OVER HER.)

My youngest sister ran away from home with a guy 20+ years older than her because their relationship was also not accepted by my family. I related/empathized with her situation and became extremely invested in her during the entire year she left home leading up to her visit. She sent me a Merry Christmas text and a Happy New Years text before blocking me on everything when I didn't answer. For the record, I wasn't able to speak to anyone for a long time and didn't even tell my family when I was in the hospital for my baby's birth; it's not like I was ignoring her specifically or was mad at her; I actually believed her and was heartbroken. A couple weeks later her boyfriend texted me: "I do not know why you are doing what you are doing, whether it's for attention or something else entirely, but if you intend to have a positive relationship with (my sister) in the future, you should probably stop." Still not sure what that means. She has reconnected with some of our family because of this whole situation. Our sister(21) calls me sometimes and told me about 3 months ago that our youngest sister had made another r*pe accusation while visiting one of our cousins. it was determined to not be true for several reasons, and sealed the deal for me she is a liar, but my family still think the worst of my fiance. (I should mention that, like me, I suspect she was SAed as a child, and I do understood that my fiance and I are probably just the collateral damage of whatever trauma she's working through.)

What sparked me to make this post is the news that my sister and her old, rich boyfriend are set to have a big wedding and they even convinced some of our family to attend... meanwhile my life has been left in shambles. She is a glorified victim and I am the bad guy for staying with my fiance. I don't think I'm envious of her life- it's just not fair. She came to my home and hurt me and my family. I don't even know what the repercussions will be like for my baby being born by trauma induced labor. Not to mention my own nerves- to this day I startle and shake uncontrollably at sudden noises/ phone calls/ door knocks. To leave you all with an idea of the extent of the damage, while we were in the hospital I asked my doctor to help me unalive myself and give my baby for adoption.

Maybe it's petty, but I want justice. AIBU?

OP posts:
Indigodreaming · 07/06/2023 17:10

too many words

What happened let me know if i got it wrong?

sister came to stay while you were pregnant

she alledges your fiance sexually assualted her

you asked him what happend, he said nothing, but didnt seem serious about it?
then he says he kissed her goodnight

you spoke to sister again, and she said he grabbed her and touched her breast
you say it cant have happened as you would have heard it

you think your sister (and familt) because he is an illegal immigrant

you sister ran away from home as they were too strict?

she also claims that a cousin had raped her (not sure how you can determine it wasnt true, but ..)

you suffered with mental health and asked a dr to kill you and put your child up for adoption?

what justice do you want? best course for you is to deal with your own feelings and go no contact

ThisNameIsNotAvailable · 07/06/2023 17:17

Of course you’re being unreasonable it should go without saying really.

Whatever dynamics are being played out here, you have a choice of either buying into them and the situation continuing or choosing to disengage and look after your own mental health.

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2023 17:20

I think you should take your sister seriously

Wenfy · 07/06/2023 17:22

Your sister has issues but this is a good example of a dysfunctional family unit. You need to cut them all off.

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:23

Why did he kiss her on the cheek to say goodnight? It strikes me as really odd that a 26 year old man would kiss his 19 year old sister in law to be goodnight.

Does he kiss other people good night?

It's really difficult to say whether your sister made it up or not.

But YANBU to not attend the wedding, it sounds like it would be really upsetting and triggering.

TeaKitten · 07/06/2023 17:24

So your sister accused your partner of SA, you don’t believe her, and now want to ruin her life?

If he’s an illegal immigrant… well what’s that about? Is he allowed to be here now?

Seas164 · 07/06/2023 17:29

A lot of dysfunction on all sides, which you won't fix by ruining someone elses wedding.

Save your energy and concentrate on what is best for you, and your child. Not on how you can wreak more havoc, in what already sounds fairly chaotic.

Stick with the therapy, do your best for your child.

Maligascar · 07/06/2023 17:30

I’d be more concerned about him being an illegal immigrant tbh. I’m surprised your family havnt reported him and had him deported.

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:30

Why did he kiss her on the cheek to say goodnight? It strikes me as really odd that a 26 year old man would kiss his 19 year old sister in law to be goodnight.

huh?!

aside from the lengthy context on here, a kiss on a cheek goodnight is as normal as a hug in most families. You don't have to wait until your SIL is 50 to start kissing her😂

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:32

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:30

Why did he kiss her on the cheek to say goodnight? It strikes me as really odd that a 26 year old man would kiss his 19 year old sister in law to be goodnight.

huh?!

aside from the lengthy context on here, a kiss on a cheek goodnight is as normal as a hug in most families. You don't have to wait until your SIL is 50 to start kissing her😂

None of my brothers in law have ever kissed me goodnight.

Why would you think that's normal?

momonpurpose · 07/06/2023 17:33

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:23

Why did he kiss her on the cheek to say goodnight? It strikes me as really odd that a 26 year old man would kiss his 19 year old sister in law to be goodnight.

Does he kiss other people good night?

It's really difficult to say whether your sister made it up or not.

But YANBU to not attend the wedding, it sounds like it would be really upsetting and triggering.

I agree it is incredibly odd he had met her for the first time and kissed her goodnight?

Willmafrockfit · 07/06/2023 17:34

he is an illegal immigrant?

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:35

None of my brothers in law have ever kissed me goodnight.

Why would you think that's normal?

because in many cultures it IS. You don't need to go further than France ,they famously kiss any random they meet for the first time, sometimes including the work place!

Now if he ONLY kisses a 19 year old, and shakes hand with every other family member, male or female, then yes, it's weird 😂

Willmafrockfit · 07/06/2023 17:35

well no dont sabotage her wedding

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:36

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Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2023 17:36

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:32

None of my brothers in law have ever kissed me goodnight.

Why would you think that's normal?

Mine does, DH family are very “kissy”
Could be cultural as well.
I am not saying OP shouldn’t definitely believe her sister but she shouldn’t just dismiss her claims either

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:36

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:35

None of my brothers in law have ever kissed me goodnight.

Why would you think that's normal?

because in many cultures it IS. You don't need to go further than France ,they famously kiss any random they meet for the first time, sometimes including the work place!

Now if he ONLY kisses a 19 year old, and shakes hand with every other family member, male or female, then yes, it's weird 😂

That's why I asked OP if he kisses other people.

Do you kiss your brother in law?

lysozyme · 07/06/2023 17:37

How do you want to sabotage her wedding, and what will it achieve?

It this isn't all just a poorly written piece of fiction.

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:38

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:36

That's why I asked OP if he kisses other people.

Do you kiss your brother in law?

yes. He's French 😂. HTH.

bibbityboppityboo · 07/06/2023 17:40

Wow - so much to unpack here!

It all sounds horribly dysfunctional.

Your sister isn't obviously believed by you - calling her a glorified victim is really rude though.

You stayed with someone who was accused of assaulting your sister, in this situation where there's zero resolution people will pick sides. You picked your fiancés, some people might have picked hers.

Why on earth would you want to sabotage her wedding? That's ridiculously petty and quite uncalled for - I think what's best is just to move on with your life.

Imo she didn't come to your home to hurt you and your family - she came to your home and was possibly assaulted.

Redhenwattle701 · 07/06/2023 17:46

momonpurpose · 07/06/2023 17:33

I agree it is incredibly odd he had met her for the first time and kissed her goodnight?

It really isn’t odd in some cultures, in fact it would be seen as very impolite not to kiss someone goodnight.

Izzabird · 07/06/2023 17:46

There's some quite odd stuff here. Why are you fixated on sabotaging your sister's wedding when there's the much more serious fact of an allegation of sexual assault hanging in the air? Is your fiancé still an illegal immigrant? Is the issue that if she went to the police he risk being deported? Has anyone considered her reporting it? Why did your fiancé deal with an overseas accusation of sexual assault by going out to the gym, while his heavily pregnant partner threw hysterics and went into labour? Is there any weight to your family's opinion of your fiancé, leaving aside the allegation? If the same sister has also accused someone else of rape recently, what is going on with her? Have two different men in fact assaulted her/raped her, or does she have MH problems, or something else, given that you say that you were both abused sexually as children?

Maligascar · 07/06/2023 17:51

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I didn’t actually.

Im saying if I was living with an illegal immigrant the constant threat of him being deported would be higher on my “things to stress about list” than my sister’s wedding.

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2023 17:51

Redhenwattle701 · 07/06/2023 17:46

It really isn’t odd in some cultures, in fact it would be seen as very impolite not to kiss someone goodnight.

When I was around 15 we had 4 students stay from a Latin American country. On the first night in our house they all went up to both my parents and kissed them goodnight as they headed up to bed - my poor Dad was horrified.

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:54

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:38

yes. He's French 😂. HTH.

I asked OP if he kisses others. HTH.

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