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AIBU to want to sabotage my sister's wedding?

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esthersmommy · 07/06/2023 16:46

My sister (19) came to visit for the birth of my baby but I ended up not going into labor before her flight back. She hugged me (F23) and my fiancé (M26) goodbye saying she loved us and would be back. Two days later I received a joint call from her and my other sister (21.) They told me they had something important to tell me and that I needed to sit down. My youngest sister asked if my fiance was home, and when I confirmed that he was, she said we can't tell you right now then. I was anxious at this point and practically screamed to be told right away what was going on. My youngest sister then told me that my fiancé had SAed her the last night of her visit. I remember asking her if she was ok and that I was so sorry and needed to hang up. I immediately confronted my fiance. I've replayed his response over in my mind millions of times. He looked concerned, a little amused and very calm only saying "what are you talking about?" He remained calm as I spiraled into hysterics but eventually the more upset and demanding I became, he got a little mad too. He said he swore on his mother and our baby that nothing had happened. He called my sister twice with no answer. He then told me step-by-step exactly what had happened that night. I tried to remember but my emotions were out of control and I wasn't able to think clearly. My fiance finally lost patience and left for the gym. Now that I had his side, I called my sister back to get to the bottom of it all. She began repeating what she had told me before and I stopped her telling her to tell me step-by-step, beginning-to-end exactly what had happened. It was then that the story changed a little. She said that he had tried to kiss her but she stopped him so he grabbed her and then left. "He grabbed you?" I asked. "He touched my breast!" she snapped. "I was right there 10 feet away in the bedroom," I finally said, "and it couldn't have been 2 minutes... Eleven at night, studio apartment, complete silence, paper walls..." "Well you had gone to shower and everything," she argued,"it wasn't just 2 minutes." (It wasn't until later that I remembered that I had showered early in the morning that day thinking I was going into labor.) I understood before calling her she would probably be upset and not want to tell me everything, but I was surprised to hear her talking with no reticence and possibly excitement? "I'm sorry," she told me, "I know this will have an impact." I was so confused and hung up on her. I knew she was partly lying, but it was her word against his, and I felt sure that something had happened... she couldn't possibly make an accusation out of nothing. My hysterics had brought on contractions and my baby was born shortly after. After 6 months of nightmares, numerous therapists, becoming dangerously skinny, and losing relationships I have finally been able to think about it all coherently. I can finally say that I believe my fiance; that he went to get his phone charger and as he walked by my sister he told her good night with a kiss on the cheek.

A little background:

My fiance of 5 years has never been accepted by my family because he is an illegal immigrant who doesn't speak English or meet my family's financial expectations. When my sister visited it was the first time he had met anyone in my family. He and I were having some serious trust issues around the time this all went down and it was worsened because I felt torn between him and my family. For a solid month I firmly believed that he had assaulted my sister and told him to leave our home. After therapy and some hindsight, I see how we were both wronged in this false accusation and how my own history of SA affected my distrust of my fiance. He is not perfect, but he has never stopped coming back trying to prove himself and is encouraging me in therapy and whatever else we need to improve our relationship. (I THINK IT'S SO F'D UP BTW THAT SHE KNEW WE WERE HAVING PROBLEMS AND THAT NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE HIM OVER HER.)

My youngest sister ran away from home with a guy 20+ years older than her because their relationship was also not accepted by my family. I related/empathized with her situation and became extremely invested in her during the entire year she left home leading up to her visit. She sent me a Merry Christmas text and a Happy New Years text before blocking me on everything when I didn't answer. For the record, I wasn't able to speak to anyone for a long time and didn't even tell my family when I was in the hospital for my baby's birth; it's not like I was ignoring her specifically or was mad at her; I actually believed her and was heartbroken. A couple weeks later her boyfriend texted me: "I do not know why you are doing what you are doing, whether it's for attention or something else entirely, but if you intend to have a positive relationship with (my sister) in the future, you should probably stop." Still not sure what that means. She has reconnected with some of our family because of this whole situation. Our sister(21) calls me sometimes and told me about 3 months ago that our youngest sister had made another r*pe accusation while visiting one of our cousins. it was determined to not be true for several reasons, and sealed the deal for me she is a liar, but my family still think the worst of my fiance. (I should mention that, like me, I suspect she was SAed as a child, and I do understood that my fiance and I are probably just the collateral damage of whatever trauma she's working through.)

What sparked me to make this post is the news that my sister and her old, rich boyfriend are set to have a big wedding and they even convinced some of our family to attend... meanwhile my life has been left in shambles. She is a glorified victim and I am the bad guy for staying with my fiance. I don't think I'm envious of her life- it's just not fair. She came to my home and hurt me and my family. I don't even know what the repercussions will be like for my baby being born by trauma induced labor. Not to mention my own nerves- to this day I startle and shake uncontrollably at sudden noises/ phone calls/ door knocks. To leave you all with an idea of the extent of the damage, while we were in the hospital I asked my doctor to help me unalive myself and give my baby for adoption.

Maybe it's petty, but I want justice. AIBU?

OP posts:
esthersmommy · 07/06/2023 17:55

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:23

Why did he kiss her on the cheek to say goodnight? It strikes me as really odd that a 26 year old man would kiss his 19 year old sister in law to be goodnight.

Does he kiss other people good night?

It's really difficult to say whether your sister made it up or not.

But YANBU to not attend the wedding, it sounds like it would be really upsetting and triggering.

A cheek kiss is a normal greeting in his culture.

As far as believing her account- knowing my sister as well as I do, several key things stood out to me including:

  1. Her story changed as I asked for more details.
  2. She hugged him goodbye saying "love you"
  3. She told our family 2 days after the night, meanwhile texting me as normal, actually discussing plans for his upcoming birthday
  4. She made 2(!) other accusations within a couple months and when she was advised to go to the police or have it looked into further the story always changed
OP posts:
originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:56

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:54

I asked OP if he kisses others. HTH.

I was literally replying to YOUR question where you quoted MY post ...

When you address the OP, quote her, not me! Then no possible confusion. HTH 😉

Somethingneedstochange78 · 07/06/2023 17:56

It might be normal where he is from. Different cultures have different ways of doing things.

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:59

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 17:56

I was literally replying to YOUR question where you quoted MY post ...

When you address the OP, quote her, not me! Then no possible confusion. HTH 😉

You quoted me first. Get your facts straight.

Then no possible confusion. HTH.

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 18:01

esthersmommy · 07/06/2023 17:55

A cheek kiss is a normal greeting in his culture.

As far as believing her account- knowing my sister as well as I do, several key things stood out to me including:

  1. Her story changed as I asked for more details.
  2. She hugged him goodbye saying "love you"
  3. She told our family 2 days after the night, meanwhile texting me as normal, actually discussing plans for his upcoming birthday
  4. She made 2(!) other accusations within a couple months and when she was advised to go to the police or have it looked into further the story always changed

Yes, based on that, I can see why you think she made up, coupled with the next accusation against someone else, which also wasn't corroborated.

I think boycotting the wedding is enough.

Hoppinggreen · 07/06/2023 18:02

A young family member has a had a habit of claiming to have been sexually assaulted by a few different people. In some cases it couldn’t have possibly been true BUT in some it was, SA victims aren’t always the best witnesses and that’s something men take advantage of.

Theunamedcat · 07/06/2023 18:02

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Well no, but it would be a simple uncomplicated vindictive act by the family reporting him so why haven't they done it if they really hate him and think he is a person who molests 19 year olds

Theunamedcat · 07/06/2023 18:05

esthersmommy · 07/06/2023 17:55

A cheek kiss is a normal greeting in his culture.

As far as believing her account- knowing my sister as well as I do, several key things stood out to me including:

  1. Her story changed as I asked for more details.
  2. She hugged him goodbye saying "love you"
  3. She told our family 2 days after the night, meanwhile texting me as normal, actually discussing plans for his upcoming birthday
  4. She made 2(!) other accusations within a couple months and when she was advised to go to the police or have it looked into further the story always changed

She sounds like she needs mental health support tbh so do you don't put yourself in a vulnerable position again stay away from the family but...be careful with your fiance remember liars occasionally tell the truth

ProfessorXtra · 07/06/2023 18:07

It doesn’t really matter if it’s normal in his culture. No man should be kissing a woman on the cheek unless he knows she is comfortable with it. Given they had just met, it’s likely she wouldn’t have been.

The thing that strikes me is that you believe him and have taken this really badly. But that’s because you believe him and now view this as your sister causing you trauma. Which may not be the case.

You need professionally support to get past this if you are jumping at the slightest noise.

Trying to ruin her wedding will make you look awful. Wether she lied or he lied. People will view you as the one in the wrong. Why would you want to continue to escalate this situation that’s caused you so much trauma?

Elysiaxo · 07/06/2023 18:07

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:59

You quoted me first. Get your facts straight.

Then no possible confusion. HTH.

You caused the confusion. You directly quoted @originalglazedsingle and asked a question. It's pretty easy to see why she thought you were addressing her.

Sounds like you have issues understanding people. HTH.

Moosethroat · 07/06/2023 18:09

For those wondering why he kissed goodnight, for some cultures this is very normal. We have a multicultural family and some members do this too, was a bit weird at first but they do it to all members of the family and when we have visited their home country it's pretty evident that it's a cultural thing amongst everyone, marriage means you are family just as much as biological family so treatment is the same

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 18:12

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:59

You quoted me first. Get your facts straight.

Then no possible confusion. HTH.

as straight as your username? 😂

Createausername1970 · 07/06/2023 18:15

Whatever the rights and wrongs, do not sabotage your sister's wedding. Once done, it can't be undone.

There is TMI to process the rest of it. I got stuck on your partner being an illegal immigrant. Do you mean asylum seeker rather than illegal immigrant? Seems a bit risky to enter into a relationship and have a child with someone here illegally? There is no guarantee they will be here for very long, most reputable employers wouldn't employ them and if they are deported there is no guarantee you could join them in another country.

As for the rest of it, there is a lot of dysfunctionality here - and you are creating more for your child tbh - too much to unpick on a forum of random strangers. I would suggest going LC with everyone and get your own head together before trying to factor in anything else.

lafado · 07/06/2023 18:16

Yes you are being unreasonable, probably the most unreasonable of anyone I have ever seen on here.

It sounds like mentally you still have a lot to work through, asking a doctor to help end your life shortly after birth and having trauma from the past. You have engaged with therapy, so you know the answer to the question your asking.

If your relationship with your sister has broken down then it has. Maybe your sister is a liar trying to destroy your relationship or maybe she isn't, in the end you weren't there and the two people that were are telling different stories.

There is no good that will come from retaliating, everyone involved needs to move on. You especially, you have a child and a partner to focus on, leave the past in the past.

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 18:18

originalglazedsingle · 07/06/2023 18:12

as straight as your username? 😂

as dense as yours?

Mistymountain · 07/06/2023 18:18

I believe your fiance, but I wouldn't sabotage the sister's wedding. I'd be keeping things very superficial between us though and warn my fiance never to be alone in with her in any circumstances and absolutely no physical contact.

RantyAnty · 07/06/2023 18:19

I see 2 very young vulnerable women from a dysfunctional family being taken advantage of by predatory males.

Nothingisblackandwhite · 07/06/2023 18:22

Lacucuracha · 07/06/2023 17:32

None of my brothers in law have ever kissed me goodnight.

Why would you think that's normal?

It’s normal in hundreds of cultures around the world. . I don’t find that unusual

TheSnowyOwl · 07/06/2023 18:25

Goodness, if you choose to believe your fiancé then do so but leave your sister and her wedding out of it.

Nothingisblackandwhite · 07/06/2023 18:26

Personally I would say away from your sister and would suggest to any other family member she has accused of abuse to go to the police ! If this was an isolated accident then I would be tempted to believe her but if she goes around accusing innocent people then she belongs in jail before she destroys someone’s life .

Hidinginaonesie · 07/06/2023 18:30

Blimey, what a mess. Don’t sabotage, but don’t go.
Ps. Cheek kissing totally normal. Even between the reserved English. I kiss my brothers in law. I even kiss my sister in law’s brother. And all my friends’ husbands. It’s only weird if you make it so.

lafado · 07/06/2023 18:30

How is the whole of this thread people saying "yes you are being unreasonable" and then a full blown argument between @originalglazedsingle and @Lacucuracha ?

catsnhats11 · 07/06/2023 18:30

Kissing an inlaw doesn't seem odd, but kissing an in law at night, the first day of meeting them, does seem...odd, especially if it was just the two of them alone? The whole situation sounds odd tbh, you said you already had trust issues, and then this...hmmm

suburbophobe · 07/06/2023 18:30

^None of my brothers in law have ever kissed me goodnight.

Why would you think that's normal?^

Exactly.

Good you're reaching out OP. Knowledge is power.

AutumnCrow · 07/06/2023 18:33

'Illegal immigrant'?? Don't you mean asylum seeker; and why hasn't his case been processed yet after so many years?

There's so many of these types of posts today.

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