Lockdown report/Covid enquiry - if you supported lockdown do you regret it?

[Hell121]

I haven’t seen a thread on this so sorry if it has been done. In light of the report yesterday I wander if people have changed their minds on whether lockdown was a good idea. I remember the threads of utter lunacy on here and the mask hysteria/schools debate. I was against lockdowns and masks very early on but complied - I don’t think I’d ever do it again. I genuinely think it was a massive overreaction which has damaged things in this country irreparably and left many children and adults far worse off than they were pre covid.

Nope, pretty sure a lot of people DID just 'follow the advice like lemmings' and not 'do their own research', instead just following orders that made absolutely zero sense because some random man with a ridiculous haircut told them too!

I mean, it is literally WRITTEN on the side of the mask box that they do NOT protect against viruses FFS!

A lot of those masks were rubbish, mine were about £5 for 100 from Amazon, they might have stopped a fly going in my mouth but certainly not anything else.

Wasn’t one of the conclusions of the report this thread was created off the back of that masks should have been used extensively earlier (stocks permitting).

When my teenage niece puked into a face mask, it caught all the puke and was easy to dispose of. The mask worked there. Of course I realise it’s about airborne viruses. I wouldn’t expect them to be 100% effective all the time, but would think they do offer a degree of protection. The most ridiculous ‘study’ I read by a dubious author was trying to claim they were ineffective against viruses while causing people inhale too much of their own breath. So basically stating they don’t work but they do work at the same time. People don’t like to be told what to do. A symptom of our individualistic society where freedom of choice is paramount to many. Even if that is at the expense of others.

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It was a symptom of a terrifyingly authoritarian mind set in both politicians and public.

We should all read about USSR, China, North Korea, Cambodia.

A mask that caught ALL the puke without her nearly choking
Wow thats some mask

We are and never have been anything like those countries are or were, i could go about my business without fear of being shot or my family dissapearing, even if i broke the rules, at worst a £100 fine.

You re talking bollox.

@Howpo

Well said.

I find these threads really saddening, as a doctor who worked on the covid wards over the first peak.

I saw people dying for lack of ventilators, and every spare space being turned into a ward. As soon as someone died, a new person filled that bed, to die shortly afterwards too in most cases. It was horrific. We were well over capacity. Not having a lockdown would have meant so many more avoidable deaths. Deaths in corridors, A&E, as no room even on the wards. People not receiving any palliative care even. Would you want that for your loved ones?

I haven’t changed my mind and still support lockdown and mask wearing. It was different after the vaccination campaign. Sadly, it is also easy to forget how many people died before vaccinations, as the previous poster (who worked on the Covid wards) said. With hindsight, I would have ended furlough a lot earlier. Once schools were open, everyone should have gone back to work as the cost is crippling us. But it’s easy making judgements after the event.

I meant I still support the decision to lockdown in 2020/2021 - not now!

Speaking of the NHS i spent an hour filling in an online registration form for someone but form could not be submitted due to the fact that his next of kin does not have a landline. Every other field was filled in.

THEN there was the medical questionaire which would have taken hours. Since when did the patient become their secretary.

So if you are going to bring up lockdowns im going to bring up the lack of thanks the public got for the sacrifices made. Even to the point that the admin is being passed on to the patient!!!

Yeah I’m a bit lost really after reading the first few pages…what part of the report is leading so many people to say lockdown was a waste of time? Can someone send a link to it? I must have missed this in the news.

As a single adult it was pretty hellish for me and my health did suffer so the only thing I’d say is bubbles should have been allowed earlier and people should never have been restricted from standing outside with friends and fines were excessive and more of a money making exercise .

I remember going for a long walk with a former flatmate who also lives alone and being worried if we stopped we would get fined by the police. I think some aspects of lockdown were handled badly but not seeing the justification for not having it at all?

Btw I still clean my groceries! Not because of covid but because I think it’s hygienic to properly wash fruit & veg and give a quick wipe to things which loads of people could have handled that are going to be sitting in my fridge. It takes me a few minutes and I don’t care if people think it’s “nutty”. At an old workplace people said I was OCD for washing my hands /using hand sanitiser before I eat office snacks. Many years later it’s more normalised and people realise it’s good to have clean hands before eating 🥹

That said, it I also thought it was out of order to judge or shame people for not taking the vaccine. I can’t believe they were threatening NHS staff to take it or lose their jobs.

I took the first vaccine (both doses) after several months of debating it , but decided against any further jabs.

I do get the pressure the NHS was under but I think some things went too far and will have left people with too much trauma to justify it . during the first lockdown I remember the case of a teen who was dying of covid in a hospital and his parents weren’t allowed to see him. I even said at the time that was too much, if they wanted to take that risk they should have been given a protective face shield or something and went into to see him then isolated. I can’t imagine his last moments dying alone.

I agree with this. I supported lockdown at the time, and haven't changed my mind. How many more people would have died in the initial wave without measures in place? Almost the entire world did some form of lockdown, why do people in the UK carry on as though they were the only ones?

The NHS nearly collapsed even with lockdown, social distancing and masking up. If people had just carried on living normally it would have collapsed. There'd have been tens of thousands people dying at home not just of Covid but of other things, because every ambulance would have been parked outside a hospital with patients inside waiting for beds to open up in ICU.

No doubt things could have been done better. But it was an unprecedented situation, in modern times at least. Given the choice of too strict measures and too lax, when in doubt go for too strict every time.

It should all have been done with much sooner than it was, I agree. By summer 2020 the worst was over and we should have gone back to normal at that point, with no further lockdowns, just warnings for the vulnerable to socially distance and taking sensible precautions that winter when it flared up again.

It isn’t after the event.
The first protests were in April 2020.
Dissenting voices weren’t reported.

The partying is simply the evidence that they knew Lockdown was wrong all along.

Lockdown was a Govt power grab.
It destroyed many small businesses.
I’m surprised the economic pain is as mild as it seems to be.

@SoccerStars

I can only think the report being referred to is one that was in the press recently. Authored by Steve Hanke. If you then look at his Wiki page he is an economist, has had controversial views on Covid throughout the pandemic, has had to retract false statements - and has controversial views on the Russian/Ukraine war.

I mean it is a view. It’s the view that discounts the deaths of those vulnerable to Covid over preserving an individualistic quality of life. A collapsing health service and millions of deaths worldwide are often conveniently glossed over or seen as collateral damage in reports such as these.

We obeyed the rules. I don't have a problem with that. That was my choice. I didn't sanitise my shopping. Dh went to work. Ds's fine. We coped with it fine.

BJ lied. That's no surprise and he's a berk. The second part doesn't negate the first above.

There was guidance. It wasn't madness what we did. No one knew what we were dealing with. In hindsight we could've toned it down, or stepped it up and been more stringent on travel / partially closed our borders or interviewed people better and refused entry? But all that is by-the-by and doesn't matter anymore, apart from reviewing and learning from it.

I was never convinced by masks. When you say damage done, are you referring to peoples MH? Because I think that most peoples MH generally is not dependant on how the Government acted, or rather shouldn't be.

I am normally a rule breaker but I stuck to it all. My mum went into dementia I’m sure during lockdown…. She just wasn’t the same afterwards despite my sister being around the corner. She’s dead now and I regret not having broken the rules to go and see her - actually we only spent a year apart but it didn’t do her any good.

my dad - ditto and now in a nursing home.

so for me it was all a tragedy. But at the start of the pandemic, I did give myself a talking to about the fact that I’d probably lose one of them. I think collectively we have short memories about what a frightening time it was before vaccines were available.

Travel was restricted, no hotels and funerals had limits placed on mourner numbers, so how exactly were people supposed to hug relatives?

also, Care homes and hospitals did not allow you inside the door, so all i can imagine your LD was in another country or you re just mis remembering?

Which tbf is very common on covid threads now, we were all rebels and opposed LD didn't we lol!