Lockdown report/Covid enquiry - if you supported lockdown do you regret it?

[Hell121]

I haven’t seen a thread on this so sorry if it has been done. In light of the report yesterday I wander if people have changed their minds on whether lockdown was a good idea. I remember the threads of utter lunacy on here and the mask hysteria/schools debate. I was against lockdowns and masks very early on but complied - I don’t think I’d ever do it again. I genuinely think it was a massive overreaction which has damaged things in this country irreparably and left many children and adults far worse off than they were pre covid.

Covid put my brother in intensive care on a ventilator and took me down for 8 weeks. At that stage, both of us were triple jabbed. I can safely say that without lockdown, there is a decent chance that both of us would be dead. I'm 40s with no health conditions. It was a lottery who covid does nothing to and who it kills. And not one I'm willing to play. Lockdowns were all over the world - most countries thought it the right thing to do. Not just UK. I supported lockdowns and still think it was the right thing to do. People have absolutely forgotten the dead people and the people who have horrific after effects of covid. The government made a rational decision with the info available at the time. (and no I didn't vote for the govt.)

@ToWhitToWhoo And yet Strictly went ahead during this terrible pandemic. Yet that Christmas we were stopped from seeing our families.

It wasnt just politicians it was celebs. You could get your hair cut if it was because of "work"

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/beauty/news/defence-priyanka-chopra-having-hair-done-lockdown/

But working class women got a big Fuck You.

I do agree, however, I think some young people would be faring rather badly if their parents had died preventably.

My autistic 17yo has never caught covid or had any symptoms, despite repeated exposure at a large secondary school and the whole of the rest of the family going down with it twice. My db would have died, and so probably would I, without the vaccines though. And my 17yo would have been utterly fucked.

And anyone who won't get vaccinated (I'm not referring to people with genuine medical reasons) should NOT be working with medically vulnerable people! Though daily testing might substitute for vaccination, and both might have been better than either on its own, but the 'I Won't Be Told What To Do' brigade might resist both,

It's unfortunate that policies of successive governments have resulted in so much understaffing in the NHS and even more in social care that a vaccination mandate is impractical; but that doesn't mean that sick people should not be protected against unnecessary exposure to disease. Better pay and conditions for health and social care workers, and fewer threats to send a significant proportion of them 'back where they came from' might have sorted out a lot of the problem.

I agree that many celebs are fucking hypocrites too! And that Strictly shouldn'6 have happened. But that isn't the point; we weren't stopped from seeing our families by the government, but by the virus.

If it was just 'The Rules', I'd probably have broken them and have risked the police and a fine; but I was not prepared to risk serious illness or death from the virus, or to risk inflicting serious illness or death on (especially older) relatives.

Just about the happiest day of my life was getting my first vaccination,

@StormShadow The care worker vaccine mandate was insanity. And yet we still get posts on here moaning about lazy relatives who wont (though its more like cant) look after their elderly relatives so that they can leave hospital

The vaccine mandate is the elephant in the room and they KNOW it was a big mistake so they like to pretend it didnt happen/gaslight about it. Now because of the lack of paid carers available they are looking to families who are in the midst of the COL crisis caused by the very lockdowns that THEY wanted to fill the gap.

Oh and the "competitive not going to A&E" threads. Its always get a taxi.

WHAT FUCKING TAXI Loads of them round here quit because of the lockdowns. One firm here had fifty drivers pre lockdowns Now its 19

And yet we STILL have the hard of thinking telling people to get taxis to A&E!!!!

This will have caused at least some of the pressure on the ambulance service People have NO RIGHT TO MOAN about people having to use an ambulance if they supported the lockdowns

Well the happiest day of my life was when i got back with OM after the lockdowns robbing me of all that time made me realise i had been robbing myself for years. Another consequence

@ToWhitToWhoo Ive had the vaccines too. Wasnt the happiest day of my life though. I think its more important that care workers are kind caring people rather than whether they have had a vaccine or not. I had it but i believe in personal choice.

Looks like Nicola Sturgeon is in her own lockdown at the mo

Sitting on our arses watching Netflix and wearing masks did not make any of us grow an extra head

It certainly doubled the size of my arse though

No regrets here. I wasn't hysterical, I wasn't washing shopping, I still went to work (in a school ‐ no they weren't closed). If anything I think it should have happened sooner then perhaps it wouldn't have had to go on for so long. I think it was mishandled in a lot of ways but I still believe that lockdown in some form was necessary. I was recently speaking to someone who was telling me that part of their job at the time was to go to the ambulances waiting outside A&E and put post it notes on them to say if this was a person they were going to try and save or not because they just didn't have capacity to try and save everyone.

People forget, before schools closed they were struggling due to the amount of staff off sick with covid. That the economy would have been crippled by all the sickness. One of the big strains now is the number of people unable to work, or to work as much, because they are suffering from long covid, that affects children and young people too not just the elderly and vulnerable. Death was not the only issue.

No, not at all. It was based on what relatively little was known at the time. Very easy to be wise after the event.

False dichotomy. Being kind and caring includes not putting your clients more at risk than necessary.

Then dont moan when there is a lack of carers to care for your elderly relatives.

I don't think sniping at other people helps. I was one of those people wanting our school to close that week and 'not because of the hot weather' but because we had to use super packed public transport in the middle of a city where 50 kids would get on at one bus stop alone, we'd be rammed in, people coughing and wiping their nose then holding the bus rail bloody everywhere. It's really rude of you to say 'because of the sunny weather' etc because we're not all as privileged are we, as someone who drives, lives in the middle of the country and has a big garden to sit in ,etc?

It was a really shit situation for us and I actually got COVID after that week, which I probably wouldn't have caught if we didn't have to sit on that crappy bus that last week.

It's really rude of you to say 'because of the sunny weather' etc because we're not all as privileged are we, as someone who drives, lives in the middle of the country and has a big garden to sit in ,etc

It's also a massive assumption that I live in the middle of the country and have a big garden to sit in. I do drive, but my son went to sixth form college by bus; and DH and I commuted by train (and still do when in the office). We still weren't screaming for schools to close, quite the opposite in fact.

Interesting that you say sniping doesn't help and then accuse me of being rude.

Ha ha.

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In other Covid prosecutions, more than £9000 in fines were handed out to eight defendants over Covid travel rules breaches.

One flew into the UK from South Sudan believing she had followed the rules, but was penalised for a stop in transit in Dubai, which was on the 'red list'
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All Covid prosecutions being pursued right now by Hampshire police date back to spring 2021.

They've presumably got a long way to go to get through what must be a large backlog.

@ejbaxa I agree with you but I also think if we had to chose. Always chose the young.

@Hell121

When you say ‘lockdown report’ are you referring to the study by Steve Hanke?

If you look into background of the authors of these reports. He’s an economist, has said many controversial things that he’s had to retract, I don’t agree with his Russia/Ukraine views etc etc.

His Wikipedia page doesn’t scream me to me of a balanced, unbiased viewpoint.

And anyone who won't get vaccinated (I'm not referring to people with genuine medical reasons) should NOT be working with medically vulnerable people!

@ToWhitToWhoo I am genuinely interested in why you say this. Isn't it the case that the vaccines have been shown to not prevent either getting the virus or transmission of the virus, and the only benefit is prevention of death when you inevitably get it?

Obviously back in 2021, you weren't allowed to say this, but I am of the understanding that even The Science does not claim it stops you getting it or transmitting it now? Indeed, I do believe that there is data to show that unvaccinated people with natural immunity are less likely to be getting the virus now?

This thread seems an appropriate place to share this link I’ve just heard advertised.

The Covid inquiry - every story matters.

https://covid19.public-inquiry.uk/every-story-matters/

Watching the Inquiry now - right now the evidence is about regional inequalities.

@hamstersarse

Indeed, I do believe that there is data to show that unvaccinated people with natural immunity are less likely to be getting the virus now?

I thought that was dependent on the strain, and who wants to run the risk of Covid life-long side-effects by finding out? Can you link to this data?

I agreed with the first lockdown as we didn't know WTF was going on - but the rest? Not so much. However, all I do is go to work, buy groceries at the supermarket and go home anyway. My routine didn't change and because of the nature of the business I work for, we were mandated to stay open. My husband is a SAHP anyway, so he did the childcare and homeschooling when the schools were closed. In reality, other than our son being at home our lives didn't really change much (other than we had to postpone our wedding which was due to take place in May 2020 and had it later, just in the nick of time, before the second lockdown hit).

I'd also add that I was put on the clinically vulnerable list and was told to stay home. . . . but I ignored it and haven't had covid.