Lockdown report/Covid enquiry - if you supported lockdown do you regret it?

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I haven’t seen a thread on this so sorry if it has been done. In light of the report yesterday I wander if people have changed their minds on whether lockdown was a good idea. I remember the threads of utter lunacy on here and the mask hysteria/schools debate. I was against lockdowns and masks very early on but complied - I don’t think I’d ever do it again. I genuinely think it was a massive overreaction which has damaged things in this country irreparably and left many children and adults far worse off than they were pre covid.

Totally agree and so many days this pretty early on.

I get the first lockdown but after that, restrictions should have been targeted towards protecting those with a higher risk while leaving the vast majority of us to make our own risk assessment and make personal choices

if you supported lockdown do you regret it?

Nope. Loved it!! It was amazing being able to work from wherever. My kid also loved not going to school. We had a great time 😄

It was definitely the right thing to do at the time and in a similar situation I would back a lockdown again

I think the whole period has caused significant damage to our economy and the general well being of society suffered enormously.

Individually though I look back on the time with fondness. Being able to wfh was a blessing. Didn’t miss either of our families😂 So it wasn’t a negative time for us.

No because the facts as we had them at the time made it the right thing to do

and if we have another pandemic and we have to do the same again I would do so

@EmpressMoo I’m glad L1ttledrummergirl quoted you otherwise I would have missed your post. You’re very diplomatic!

Thanks for the wider context.

This. I knew It was all bollocks from the start as were the vaccines. my elderly relatives were vaccinated but I decided no vaccines for me and my dc as they weren't necessary only teen dd has had covid which was just a very mild cold. and on that note what's happened to covid vaccines do they not do them anymore 🤔.

Thats not the sense I’m getting??

It’s certainly frustrating that this still can’t be discussed without people getting snidey and waving their teams flag wildly.

Yes!!!!

Maybe you were not told daily how you must hate old people along with other nasty nonsense simply because you dared to question of the governments strategies were right…
huge trauma was caused partly on the duped masses who were terrified of dying and also on the few sensible ones who were bullied relentlessly

the ones who fell hook line and sinker owe the rest of us an apology for ruining 3 years imo

Me too. Not vaccinated but had covid and only once. And to be honest in very good health. I can't get my head around all those i know double and triple vaccinated sick alot, including some very dangerous problems now. Aside from a friend who had 2 they regret it. Lockdowns were an experiment, they had data, they knew that's why hancock laughed on TV at first vaccines, yeah he was pissing himself laughing not crying and why he said let's scare the pants off everyone. That's why they had parties and yes my family in Italy also know it was an experiment..the fooled the masses but not all, in fact woke many up to the tyrants in charge. The real tyrants.

I wasn’t living on a different planet so I’m pretty sure that my experience and opinion is as valid as the next persons. I’m now at a point where rehashing the same old lines is completely unproductive and entirely irrelevant.

in fact woke many up to the tyrants in charge. The real tyrants.

@Sunflowers80 who would that be then?

I wrote a post on here MN during lockdown where I said I felt like we were living through some kind of crazy social experiment by the government. the abuse I got on here from avid lockdown supporters and my post was quickly removed and I was banned from mn as I had breached talk guidelines as we weren't allowed to say anything anti-lockdown!! it was all batshit!
So so glad I wasn't vaccinated either those vaccines were of no benefit whatsoever infact they have caused many more complications in some previously healthy people my friend being one of them.

Madness

They certainly do them as I am booked in for booster next week. But they're for those with a risk.

None of it was bollocks by the way. But yay for you that it was mild.

I believe there were some politicians who wanted to impose another lockdown for Christmas 2021. The overwhelming mood of the public was "fuck that, if they do, I'm spending it with my family regardless". I remember Omicron was rising, many people self-locked down in the 10 days before Christmas, if they could, hoping not to catch it and not to have to self-isolate.

I supported lockdown at first and don't regret this and thought they locked down too late and that was the critical time, earlier in March 2020 when many lives would have been saved, however restrictions went on far too long. No way would I ever have reported neighbours etc - that was abominable and shades of how East Germany used to operate when it was behind the Iron Curtain.

There was too much policing and criticism of those outdoors, where it was unlikely to spread much. The outdoors was our salvation in that sunny spring and summer, local walks and the garden followed by hill walking and trips to the beach. Then in early August 2020, I think, in the northern conurbations of, I think, Manchester and West Yorks we were banned from mixing again, due to the highest rate of cases, relatively, when case numbers overall were really low. I was going to travel to London to visit family that August and regret not having done so.

I do believe that the powers that be forgot that from the very beginning it was always deemed a mild illness for most people. The very first thing that Chris Witty said was that a significant proportion (a third) would be so mild they wouldn’t even know they had it.

so the peer pressure for people to take the vaccine I always felt was disproportionate to my level of risk. I was 35, fully fit with no health conditions or previous illnesses. By any standards of measurement I was always going to be a “mild” case with little to no risk of hospital treatment. In fact both times I had Covid I had a headache for a day and that was it.

so I always felt a bit 🤔 about those who said that “I had Covid and I didn’t need to go to hospital = vaccines work” when the likelihood was always that you wouldn’t need hospital treatment in the first place.

I had three jabs and can honestly say that the side effects for me was much worse than Covid itself. So although I support the jabs, and believe they were essential for those vulnerable groups, I was always uncomfortable with the public shaming of those who wanted body autonomy and didn’t want the jab. Particularly as it was pretty bloody quickly that they discovered that the jab didn’t actually prevent the spread of the virus

Do I think the government acted correctly during 2020/2021? No, not at all. The first lockdown came too late, and their ridiculous PPE bullshit should have got the lot of them sacked. Pandemic guidelines were ignored in the time leading up to it, with huge stores of PPE destroyed for no real reason. And don't get me started on the ridiculousness of eat out to help out, and the even more ridiculous being able to eat in a pub but not drink etc etc.

But, the first lockdown was what was needed at that point. Guidelines were needed because sadly the British public showed they couldn't be trusted to be sensible. Mask wearing and hand hygiene has been shown, in many peer reviewed papers and studies to reduce transmission - either by reducing the sharing, or preventing catching - but we have posts in here from people saying how they refused to wear them because they're stupid. They're not stupid.

And anyone not 100% against it all is being labelled as batshit, idiots etc etc etc.

THIS is why strict guidelines were needed. Because if they'd said "please be sensible, follow good hand hygiene and mask wearing and sensible social distancing" a large section of society would have purposely ignored it. The same people claiming the hospitals weren't overloaded because their mates cousin said they knew a nurse in the NHS who was sat at home. The same people claiming it was all made up because some nurses let off some much needed stress by making a funny 5 minute video. That they clapped people surviving and leaving hospital so weren't busy. And those same clinical staff were lying on death certificates. I doubt any of those people understand at all how heartbreaking this was for NHS staff seeing and dealing with things you will never, ever want to go through.

I believe there were some politicians who wanted to impose another lockdown for Christmas 2021. The overwhelming mood of the public was "fuck that, if they do, I'm spending it with my family regardless". I remember Omicron was rising, many people self-locked down in the 10 days before Christmas, if they could, hoping not to catch it and not to have to self-isolate.

I don't remember any mainstream politicians in the UK calling for lockdown, though you may recall something I don't. Closest thing was Indy SAGE wanting a 'circuit breaker' before Christmas, and we all know how they turn out.

But I do think you're right that the general public mood by that point meant any more restrictions than a half arsed mask return would've been impossible. People voluntarily staying away from their loved ones over Christmas was not on the table, regardless of whether the political class were ok with that or not.

Guidelines were needed because sadly the British public showed they couldn't be trusted to be sensible.

These are the words of a lunatic!

They were completely isolated from the rest of society. If Arthur had been at school, his abuse could have been piced up and at least he would have had food.

To think that these people are allowed to roam freely among us. Frightening.

It completely misses the point that guidelines and legislation only worked to the extent that they did because so many people chose to adhere to them. We don't have anything like enough police, armed forces or coercive apparatus to make tens of millions of people significantly restrict their lives if they don't agree to do so.

Sadly pre-pandemic cases of child abuse and neglect tell us that’s not entirely true.

from Wikipedia about the case:

The review found that child protection services had been involved in Arthur's life on various occasions dating back to 2018 and repeatedly not intervened to help him

Social services were involved because Arthur’s mum killed her partner in self defence IIRC and was sent to prisonZ Social services involvement doesn’t mean there’s grave concerns or abuse happening, often it’s for support. the new development that ultimately led to Arthur’s death was the introduction of a new girlfriend in the house - where he sustained injuries he had never previously sustained. had he been at school it would have picked up. Arthur’s life and his terrifying last weeks is not less important than saving a few people who have to die of something some day that isn’t being murdered by your caregivers.

LOTS of us foresaw how lockdown would play out for the most vulnerable like Arthur - and we got shouted down on MN and got called granny killers and told it would never happen.