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To be heartbroken by husband

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Dinkydaisy1 · 05/06/2023 21:15

Long post here. Apologies but tried to keep everything relevant. Just feel very disheartened by marriage and at the end of a road.

Been married circa 20 years, two wonderful teens. Overall an okay marriage - nothing bad, we never fight, just different personalities, so more roomies with good benefits. Till....

Husband pros:
He's overall a great guy, good heart, kind, gentle. Has never raised a voice, stopped me from doing anything, interfered, drank, slept around, even come home late. What I want, I get, eg if I say I want to go on holiday, he will painstakingly look up itenaries, book tickets, take us out. Spends a lot of time with kids, divides housework in half, takes care of all expenses without expecting me to contribute a dime. Doesn't care about my spending (on his card) , very supportive of my job like coming home early or adjusting work schedule to suit me. Protects me in front of his family if anything ever crops up.

Cons
So main one has been that he's emotionally unavailable. He doesn't talk, at all. We can drive for hours, or weeks can go by, before he makes conversation. He will speak if I ask him or start talking, and listen when I chatter, but he will never come home from work and talk about his day, or share his plans over breakfast, or ask how my day was, or just talk, in normal people speak. When I raise it sometimes he makes an effort, but otherwise no.
He also had a bit of a difficult childhood (nothing major, just midly neglectful and immature parents) and as a teen he took care of them and his siblings etc to keep peace (he is a very gentle person, peacemaker type). But he admitted that it took an emotional toll on him, and at some point after his parents and siblings gave him a hard time, he decided he would close his heart and "never love again". So he never says I love you, you look nice, have semblance of "affection" or love, companionship.

So all of that continued and because there was so much good I kept going, and had my own busy life with job, friends, loved ones. But it did bother me, learned to live with it but it wasn't easy.

Now comes the HARD part.

We both have good salaries (joined income circa £300k, this is relevant) neither of us are big spenders but I've always said one thing I want is a nicer house, at the moment it's tiny so my family can never come and stay, kids have box rooms, hard to entertain etc. He's made some big investments over the years, including some I begged him not to as they sounded stupid and risky and I said do what you want as long as we fix the house which is breaking down and un-liveable as that's a priority for me. Well guess what, he invested, and we lost everything so essentially now have a massive mortgage and no moneh after working really hard for decades and living fairly simple lives. This was gutting. One was a particularly stupid one where the guy essentially ran away with cash, and I was absolutely fuming because I had specifically told him not to do this one.

Anyway he was contrite and admitted his mistake, and I kept saying, this is really big for me, we really need to work better together after this, etc etc.

Last week he told me he had a job offer he was considering. In another country, so essentially he would move and come back every 2 months or so. Turns out a friend had told him of a good job opp in a tax free country, he explored it, discussed with friends, went for interview, did research, and one he got offer, went back to negotiate, and THEN told me. I was FURIOUS. I just couldn't believe how 6 months of a decision making process went by and he couldn't be arsed to share any of that with me. He insisted that he thought he'd share once he got the offer, otherwise there was nothing to discuss. I was aghast, I mean isn't marriage/life meant to be about sharing, talking, discussing - I felt incredibly disrespected that my voice only came in a few days before a major decision was to be made and I didn't factor in any of the thought or decision making. We both wfh so just felt betrayed that there was lying going on for 6 months, not once did he say he was meeting recruiter /interviewing etc. This huge decision means we would see him twice a quarter or so, my kids would be gutted, I'd need to fly out every half term as part of visa arrangements, it would just result in a major upset for everyone.

He then said that he needed to do this to pay for the house, so I said essentially I'm sacrificing a husband for a house. I'm also basically paying for all his financial mistakes.

Most of all I'm just fuming at the omission of any sort of discussion and am just really, really hurt. We've been through a bit of up and down, but for me this feels like the straw that broke the camels back.

I've just told him to do whatever he needs to do, accept etc, I just don't care or am invested in this marriage anymore.

I don't know what to do. Not sure what I want but just feeling incredibly hurt. Is this what 20 years of marriage looks like - you are still a nothing in somebody's life.

Am I being unreasonable or overreacting or is his behaviour ridiculous?

Thank you for reading if you got this far!

OP posts:
HowAmYa · 05/06/2023 22:49

Also re: him not saying you look nice or that he lives you etc.
Please dont live the rest of your life never hearing these things when these things matter to you. You deserve so much more

bonzaitree · 05/06/2023 22:56

It’s easy to see why you stayed with him OP- lots of good points about him.

Its just that the negatives are seriously bothering you.

have you considered counselling?

sorry you’re feeling this way.

FictionalCharacter · 05/06/2023 22:57

Aquamarine1029 · 05/06/2023 22:24

Him having a challenging childhood is responsible for him blowing all of your money, against your objections, and deceiving you about his new job for months? Come on now.

You're making too many excuses for him. He says he shows love through actions, but far, far too many of his actions are just blatant disrespect.

I agree.

GraysPapaya · 05/06/2023 22:59

So you don’t really chat? Does he make you laugh? Do you have sex? It doesn’t sound like there’s a romantic relationship there. Sorry Op.
I cannot imagine my DH planning something as big as an international move without talking about it fully with me, it really speaks volumes regarding how he sees the relationship.
I think it’s time to move on and find someone you can be truly happy with.

Thoughtful2355 · 05/06/2023 23:01

To be honest I'm not sure why if on 300k a year you couldn't save up enough in 4-5 years to outright buy a house worth at least a million . Even more if you saved a million and got a mortgage...

I live off 12k a year with 2 adults and 2 children so that we can save. So in theory on 300k a year I could probably save atleast 270k - 285k a year..........

EineReiseDurchDieZeit · 05/06/2023 23:08

I just don't think I could ever get past the fact that he has destroyed your families financial security on some obvious scam, add into that he's a good partner but you don't love him anymore means that your marriage is dying I'm afraid

LuluBlakey1 · 05/06/2023 23:15

What is the intimacy like in your relationship? Is he physically affectionate? Do you have a sexual relationship at all?

Cocopogo · 05/06/2023 23:18

You keep saying he’s a good father but good fathers don’t plan to leave their kids in another country and see them for a few days.

Mirabai · 05/06/2023 23:31

Dinkydaisy1 · 05/06/2023 22:46

@Everybodywants no, things like businesses that didn't take off and lost money, private equity firms that didn't make money, just too high risk investments. The guy who ran away with dosh was sheer stupidity - the "next big thing" business idea.

How much did he actually lose?

It’s very easy to invest money in ways you’re not likely to lose it.

There are two big betrayals: the money and the job.

How bad do the betrayals have to be before you call it a day?

Mirabai · 05/06/2023 23:32

It’s a moot point really as he’s effectively leaving.

TheHandmaiden · 05/06/2023 23:45

Your marriage is over. He's organizing it. No one has to gamble away huge money or take a job overseas.

This guy does not want to retire. He is thinking, fuck it, I will do something else. He is changing his life.

What do you want? I don't think this house or new flat is coming. Your life and retirement. What does that look like?

Kittykelly123 · 05/06/2023 23:52

Maybe he felt so terrible about the bad investments that he thought that if I just get this amazing job (lots more money) my wife will love and respect me again?? Maybe he is a sneaky fecker and didn’t think twice about your feelings. I think your own gut instinct is better than anything else here. If he really loves you and you really love him then you can overcome anything. If you think he is sneaky then you need to evaluate.

thecatsmeows · 05/06/2023 23:52

My father started working abroad when I was 9...my mother was a trailing spouse, dragging myself and my two brothers with her for 5 years, until our education started getting badly affected...my father continued working abroad for another 7 years. In those 7 years he usually came home once a year, usually at Christmas. He ended up leaving my mother for another woman when I was 21.

When I look back, I wish to God my mother had had the sense to leave him when he first started working abroad. He made it crystal clear he was no longer interested in family life and basically lived as if he was a single man (including constantly cheating on my mother). The stress and more importantly the anger his absence caused my mother - and she then filtered down to us - made our childhoods miserable.

My father also pissed untold amounts of money away, he was a very high earner who ended up with nothing to show for it. In the 23 years my parents were married, they owned a house for 4 and a half years...which had to be sold during the divorce.

Your husband has told you that he doesn't love - that means not only does he not love you, he doesn't love your children, either. He's admitted he's not capable of love. I personally would never marry, let alone have children with, a man who said that to me...I don't care how shitty his childhood was.

porridgeisbae · 06/06/2023 00:18

I would have to separate from him OP. You must be so angry at what he's done.

AcrossthePond55 · 06/06/2023 00:19

@Dinkydaisy1

I'm probably going to get blasted for this, but here goes and I realize it sounds sort of mercenary.....

You're financially better off on an income basis staying married, right? But emotionally and mentally you're sort of 'done' with the marriage. Given that, what would be so bad about staying married if you knew you'd only have to see him 'every two months or so'? You still treat each other with respect and kindness as far as I can tell, and I assume you still love each other. As long as you'd be able to run your day to day life the way you want to, plus you wouldn't have to be 'looking after' him. It'd basically be you and the DC on a day to day basis. So far, pretty much the same life as being a single parent but without sacrificing any finances.

As far as the effect on your DC from him working away, only you can know about that and of course that must be taken into consideration. But there are many parents who have raised lovely successful children when one parent has to be absent for long periods of time.

And it sort of sounds to me as if he's going to take the job anyway.

Mari9999 · 06/06/2023 00:28

@Dinkydaisy1
Do you think that your children feel loved and cared about by their father? Does he say to your children that he loves them? If so, he may not be as emotionally detached as you think.

They 2 of you should have reached a mutual decision as relates to the investments. That is a problem, but you can only address what you do going forward. No amount of anger or resentment will change or modify what has happened in the past. Fix the problems going forward, but hanging on to resentment does nothing to improve your life.

As to the job situation, it is unfortunate that he did not feel comfortable discussing this with you. However, rather than having spent 6 months discussing a hypothetical , you are now faced with discussing a very real situation. He may view this as a way to rectify some of the poor financial decisions that he has made in the past. He may also find it difficult to face you on a daily basis knowing that he has so disappointed you with his financial management. He probably see the physical distance as an upside for him particularly if he feels that he is losing face in his marriage.

Only you can decide what will work for you. I think this is something that your children's feelings should be considered. Do not assume that they would be totally devastated by this. Children of military parents adjust to parental absence and manage to live healthy lives with good parental relationships.

The resentment that you feel is apparent in your post, and I imagine that it is hard for him to live the knowledge that he is responsible for a lot of that resentment. If the 2 of you can't get beyond those feelings, then some distance might be a way to remove some of the stress in your marriage.

You have some difficult decisions ahead of you.

beAsensible1 · 06/06/2023 01:25

OP does it really matter? you said you are more like friends anyway. if this job is going to help fill the hole then i suppose this is his contribution and playing out the actions rather than words part of his personality.

let him go go, enjoy the space and take stock of your emotions and relationship. Let him try and fix it, its obviously very important to him.
And i do think generally for men like him this is his to apologise, he probably needs to feel useful and like he's provided in the way he promised to you (in his own mind)

magma32 · 06/06/2023 01:28

Hi Op, haven’t read all the comments but could tell from your op that you were Asian and it was an arranged marriage of sorts. I am normally a LTB kinda person on here but I think from everything you have written you should try marriage counselling first due to the emotional issues he’s caused such as resentment which is hard to get over. Even if you weren’t Asian in this situation I would say the same because he’s not a complete twat (and I have a really high bar when it comes to what my Dh can get away with!) but he’s a liability. You need to make sure there isn’t anything else he’s hiding and you need to take full control over finances and financial decisions. I would also let him take the job, outsource help if you haven’t already but make sure his job is legit and not another scam.

EpicChaos · 06/06/2023 01:50

A lot of men work away from home, it keeps a roof over their family's heads and food in their tummies, It sounds like that's what behind your hubby's idea, in which case, at least he's making an effort, which is an awful lot more than too many men that get a mention in the aibu section do.

Fraaahnces · 06/06/2023 03:29

There is possibly a cultural (or familial cultural) aspect to him not discussing things with you too. Either way, if he doesn’t respect you enough to discuss decisions like this, (or anything else) surely your the way he views your marriage is clear. He seems perfectly happy to talk to others. There is nothing lonelier than being in a lonely marriage. (I know.)

user1492757084 · 06/06/2023 03:56

Your husband has said the new job is for the house and financial rewards for the family.
Make a deal.

Open a bank account where you need two signatures to withdraw funds and where you can't direct debit any money. Have him put all earnings into it, apart from his living expenses and have him share his pay slip information with you.

Try that for a year and see if it is successful.
After a couple of years you might end up with your bigger family home and you might end up with a couple of very exciting holidays abroad.
If you leave him, you are certainly alone so it's worth a try and it is more stable for your children.

aloris · 06/06/2023 03:58

So you have three big issues here:
1 he is emotionally closed off
2 he spent all the family savings on bad investments leaving you with no savings
3 he set up a job in another country (which will massively impact your family and marriage life) as a fait accompli and is giving you only the nominal illusion of you having any input into whether he goes.

Those are three... pretty big issues. I mean I guess he's not cheating on you but between them those three issues cover an awful lot of ground! For me, I think my problem in the situation you describe, is I would feel as if I had been de-personified in my marriage, if you know what I mean. I can handle a lot of things but I need my husband to see me as a person, that means I need to be consulted about things that impact my life because as his wife, my fate is tied to his choices. I'm not here just to be his doll that he takes out to play with when he feels like it, or his pet to feed and house in a manner of his choosing without my input. I get to have a say, not because of his feelings of love for me, but because I'm a person and due some respect as such.

GP75 · 06/06/2023 04:07

He won't change so can you live like this for another 20 years 🤷‍♀️

changeme4this · 06/06/2023 04:27

It sounds to me he is wanting the new job out of guilt for the money loss, and to try and make up for it while he still can (she says nearing the other end of a working lifetime).

Why not let him go and see how things turn out?

Lolabear38 · 06/06/2023 04:52

Unpopular opinion @Dinkydaisy1 - don’t come to MN for serious marriage advice. You will invariably be told, regardless of the details/ issue, to leave/ LTB/ get out now/ he’s a selfish prick etc. If that’s what you want to hear of course then that’s fine but you’ll almost certainly get a very skewed response on here. Please read and take on board what you like but also seek advice elsewhere for a more balanced view. Good luck to you xx

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