We need to start talking about population decline

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The first signs of it are starting to show in the UK, with primary school closures. Secondary school closures will follow.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/11158f12-0133-11ee-a364-04e704863f75?shareToken=5ef47b2b4776be376153089146c8bacf

Italy is a few years ahead of us.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/01/plunging-birthrate-threatens-italian-schools

Japan shows where every country is headed - towards a crisis where they are on the brink of being unable to maintain social functions.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/13/asia/japan-population-decline-record-drop-intl-hnk/index.html

And yet there are still people who think that we have a problem with overpopulation. It’s the opposite.

I would love another child but cannot afford one. Many others are in my position. What makes you sure financial incentives won't work? You can't even claim benefits for a third child fgs.

The point of the climate change people is the more people you bring into this world the more people will use cars, airplanes, etc… as a result, having kids make all those problems worse. It’s not hypocritical to say « we are all participating to climate change but me giving birth to 3 new humans would lead to my own carbon footprint + those 3 humans carbon footprint + their own kids carbon footprints and grand kids etc… and so I am going to limit my carbon footprint to my own rather than bring more people in because even if I do all the bad things for the environment it will lead to a lot less carbon footprint overall than me having kids and them having kids ».

As for the imbalance between old and young. I think young people don’t fancy working hard to not be able to afford to buy a home and to still somehow struggle to pay their bills, and likely ironically not get a retirement themselves in the very end.

I think euthanasia should be legalized in most/all countries. Humans should be able to live for as long as they want and to their entire lifespan if they wish but sooo many elderly people wouldn’t pick that life for themselves. Many would have wanted to die at 84 when still having a fairly good but declining quality of life than at 104 completely unable to do the things they want to do or now with dementia. But somehow people are being shamed for not wanting kids and to add to the overpopulation problem instead of looking at ethical ways to reduce the gap between young working force population and elderly population who needs care.

Currently the system is made to force people to live for as long as possible, irrelevant of one’s will and quality of life, all while hoping young people will pick up the tab instead of maybe accept that maybe there is a reason why we initially weren’t living to 100yo naturally without technology, and while we shouldn’t think to kill people off just because they are old and/dependent we should maybe give people the ownership of their own life and accept that if people were allowed to go when they want to go, maybe there wouldn’t be such a gap in population size between people who can work and pensioners or even an overpopulation issue (as I am sure hundreds of thousands of people worldwide would pick that option today for a variety of reasons if offered and legalized.)

Somehow people think increasing birth is the solution when stopping to over extend life and control death would likely naturally partially fix the problem.

Rubbish. Village primaries are being closed because there are no families left in the villages. The houses are all holiday homes/air bandb's.
Young families are priced out.

Absolutely, it is the one example of something being done right! We need more of that!

The population of the world has been increasing for centuries. We have 8 billion people on the planet, at what point do you think we will be full?

In Europe and US the problem is imbalance, not quantity, in
population.

Too many old people for too long requiring too much care. No way round it at the mo.

Once the Lotto gen have blown their house price jackpots on adult nappies, their DC and GDC are screwed. Plus the under70s are paying enormous taxes already to support them, so in technical
terms us workers are fucked coming and going. Many families have been starved out of breeding, cos Granny’s got all the money in property equity and that’s headed for the care home company HQ in India.

The answer is medical advances that deliver a health span closer to
lifespan. And machines to deliver care, not people who should get the chance to be productive in society. (Yes yes, of course carers are vital, but they’re not useful - there’s a difference.)

No one wants to admit that spending two decades of your life severely mentally and physically disabled might not be fun for you, but you’re- forgive the pun - literally pissing your descendants’ lives away too.

There will definitely be a problem in 30 years time when none of us want to be working any more but the tax base can’t support it. DH and I put more money into our pensions so we can be self sufficient but not everyone can do that. Most of us will be working far past when we planned to.

Probably an increase in the acceptance of death as part of life in the Modern World might help - too much reliance on keeping people alive at all costs, irrespective of ability to live a life at a level worth living.

Over subscribed schools in many cities.

We know that we have a problem with an ever increasing older population with less money for their pensions and care. However there are other ways of tackling this than having a lot of children.

Also Ireland’s population is not in decline, and it’s still got the older people care problem.

I think their is more than enough humans ruining the planet as it is, and who wants to bring children Into this messed up world right now, maybe when crime rates drop and kids aren't stabbing and shooting each other and the place is a little safer people will start to populate again.

The NIMBYs are killing the village primary school, aging village population and the only ones who afford to live there also refuse to build new housing to bring new people and young families.

I can’t remember if it was covered in the documentary I linked to above, or perhaps in this presentation:
https://www.cigionline.org/events/planet-preparing-global-population-decline/

But the researchers were saying that on a country-wide level, these incentives did not increase birth rates in the longer term. It brought births forward, so more women had their children at a younger age, but didn’t overall increase the number of children being born per woman.

The bigger crisis will be global warming and the knock on effects of that. Parts of the world will be uninhabitable so more migration will follow.
As parts of the world have much younger median ages of population (Nigeria average age is 18, UK is over 40). These young people can travel here.

Idk I'm by nature a conspiracy theorist. I believe Bill Gates when he says "the next one will get our attention". I don't think it's that much of a coincidence that AI and automation is on the rise whilst the concept of global lock downs and impending deadly viruses is also pertinent.

Georgia guidstones were frigging weird, then they were just destroyed with hardly any fanfare. They want a pristine earth with 100 million, many surplus eaters to dispose of. No I'm not a flat earther, or reptilian believer before the inevitable idiotic responses. People who discount the wef as a conspiracy, why? They have a conference and a fucking website, bloody repeaters.

An example of repeaters is people who bleat "never ascribe malice, where incompetence can be blamed" why the fuck has that become so abundant. Just because someone once said something doesn't mean it is true, yet its become a thought terminating cliche. Do you know who said it? Do you know the context? (apparently it originated in a joke book)

The world needs a population decline

Falling birth rates are a constant topic of conversation in our local schools, which are having an impact on already cash strapped schools. There is currently a bulge going through secondaries but numbers are dropping in the Primaries

Agree. It's amazing this isn't being encouraged and celebrated.

DfE estimate pupil numbers will fall by 900,000 in next 10 years

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/3-reasons-why-dozens-primary-153410942.html?guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAANwb8YzygBi-62Dl4-UPngXCSXz5XplQbEtQ2WS69k7-0LlYzMam92jwjqUDZHbrxExfKLGFC1xm4tDlJTonY5U3l5PrmB7hKD3SuGwsVjBvqS6Hs2-UC5JnvRTqg1ObYGyacWVu9o65J-F1ulCwiN8zWguXvefWYBZAlyBPk7Nq

Agree 💯
We've destroyed the planet, we aren't even nice to each other, and most of us have our heads stuck in our phones most of the time. Just look around.

Well villages are full of wealthy older people mixed with some working class people in social housing that can only be accessed by those with a local connection. The younger people are moving away because of a lack of work and/or unaffordable housing.
i don’t know if we have a declining population in general yet but if life gets any more expensive then I can definitely see it happening. There’s no way I’d bring any more children into this world with the way it is right now, with all the danger and cost issues not to mention what’s gone on with the dreaded jab.

Oh you will be having lots of “ we are overpopulated as it is “ crap . The planet is not over populated it’s wrongly distributed and overpopulated in regions .
funny enough the sane people perpetuating this myth will be the ones screaming they have no pensions or help in old age .
Tye reason why its in decline is obviously the cost of living . People just can’t afford more children . Governments will soon realise this and hopefully bring in incentives