Given notice at work

[Forgotwhat]

My work has given me my notice - 3 months and I’ve been there under two years-so I don’t have a leg to stand on.

I don’t desperately need the money-can I just go? I don’t really want to carry on working for them for another 3 months to hand things tidily over to other team members etc.

Basically I have set up a department and way of working for them, and now mostly the grunt work is done they want stuff taken over by cheaper members of staff (basically I am redundant with no redundancy rights) it’s all fine, I just don’t really want to spend three months training people how to do my job and showing them the tricks of the trade when they’ve decided to end my employment.

can I just say that’s absolutely fine, I don’t need a notice and I am happy to forgo that and leave today? I know if I give notice I have to work it- but this is different the decision to go isn’t mine-so I don’t feel I need to honour it?

If you have any annual leave I would tell them that you are quite upset so would like to use some of your annual leave now, as you'll need to burn it before you go anyway. I'd say you're going to take 2 weeks from Monday and then not do anything for a fortnight and see if and how they cope without you. It sounds like you dont normally do a handover before you go on holiday any way. I just then wouldnt do the extra bits you normally do when youre away - logging on and playing catch up when you get back. Use the leave as a tool to show them what you do and see if you can get them to revoke the decision?

Ask them.

Worst they can do is say no

Were you on a temporary contract or short term fixed contract or was it meant to be permanent?

Technically it would be breach of contract not to complete the notice period but few companies would ever seek reparations for it so you could.

It may impact any reference you require from them though.

I would be inclined to approach them and let them know you would like to leave sooner as you would prefer to make a clean break and move on now you know you are not a valued team member, something like that.

There's a fb group UK Employment Law & HR advice. I suggest joining and asking on there for advice from people more qualified to give it.

Good luck.

Does the 3 months notice take you over the 2 years worked for them?

If she wants to she can make things very difficult while seeing out notice. She can request annual leave, get signed off sick etc and in periods between be 'too busy catching up to train'. They're not going to change their mind, they want someone cheaper.

It would be best to negotiate. Sure say now that you need a few days to process the redundancy, then come back and negotiate a shorter notice period etc. They could say no of course but if you can leave on better terms its better. They should negotiate, its never good to have someone that doesn't want to be there.

It is a permanent contract.

I like the idea of taking leave soon and making them realise what exactly I do. But it would also mean that they know exactly what to ask for in a handover and training and would make it harder for me paper over cracks in their organisation and give them the bear minimum

This is correct.

I didn't know this myself until about 10 years ago. Very hard to prove financial loss, and not generally pursued for your level of employee (no offence - just more likely to be board member type roles).

Do a shit job of teaching them, keep contradicting yourself, make it fun for you.

I am so sorry to hear that op. I hope you can find a solution fir you to go soon. 💐💐💐💐

Sorry if this has already been said (I haven't currently got my glasses with me so can't read clearly) but ask them about PILON (payment in lieu of notice).

I had this about 12 years ago, so it may be different now, but it meant I left immediately and got the money owing to me tax free

Very good point. Op in case the notice period takes you over 2 years then you would be entitled to the associated rights including redundancy and unfair dismissal claims.

You could argue that 3 months notice after only being in the role for 20 months (for example), isn't proportionate, and that you believe 6 weeks notice would be sufficient and appropriate given the circumstances.

Go off sick with the stress of having to find a new job.

What they gonna do ?

Remember you are allowed to take reasonable time off for interviews, etc, so make sure you have plenty of "interviews" lined up 🙂

There’s no point in discussion PILON with a company who have decided to replace the Op with cheaper alternatives just before she hits two years.

they know exactly what they want - her training said alternatives. They’re not going to let her go early

@Forgotwhat if it’s not catastrophic in your industry I’d get signed off sick

Maybe your doctor could sign you off with depression op?

I just wouldn't turn up on monday. The legal expenses of proving economic loss will rule most employers out from pursuing for breach of contract. I say this having walked out of my last job in working commerical contracts, where their entire business was litigation 😁

I know you feel bad but that's how employment contracts work. Are you formally being made redundant or have they dismissed you?

Either way, the right thing would be to work your notice. However, you could be signed off with stress and do it thty way.

Just note that a new employer can be given the amount of sick leave you've taken.

If they're making you redundant, surely that means your role is no longer required, so why would you need to train someone how to do your role?

If they do need you to train someone to do your specific job role, then it means the business does need that role filled and they can't make you redundant surely?

I would put all your efforts into finding a new job. You will need them for a reference.

Do the bare minimum, put off training staff for as long as possible.

Assure them that everything will be in the handover document, but don’t share it until you actually leave. Make it so vague it’s impossible to follow.

even in another city.
good idea. :)

Assure them that everything will be in the handover document, but don’t share it until you actually leave. Make it so vague it’s impossible to follow.

:) :)

What can they do ?
Sounds like they've been a bit cheeky.
People say about references but most places now just give dates and role type references.
If you're not desperate for the money I'd just leave.