Children on trains / tube

[uneffingbelievable]

It is half term and everyone is out and about which is great to see, the tubes and trains are busy for everyone. However, the behaviours of some of the children and by that - I mean 9-12ish are simply appalling. Likewise the parents / grandparents with pushchairs.
Exmaples:
Pushchairs do not give you the right to ram then into a fellow passengers legs, on a busy train, park the wheel on their foot and not utter one word of apology to the injured party.

The two mothers on the Metropolitan line train to Amersham last night you should be proud of how you are bringing up you children. That you let your two 10-11 yr old boys think it is OK to physically push two women out of the way who were about to sit down on two just being vacated seats, speaks volumes on your manners. Your little darlings then proceed to swing their legs kicking the people infront of them, until you pushed the women out the way and stood infront of your entitled little brats. Not one word of apology. That you let two boys sit whilst quite clearly pensioners 70+ were forced to stand the whole journey shows yours and your childrens manners are appalling.

There is not hope for your children when two adults allow such appalling behaviour and do not have the grace to apologise to those people your children assaulted.

Your both need a lesson in manners and social etiquette because your children have no hope of learning anything from your current standards. My 14 year old was appalled!

Yabu to not include the dgm who prevented her dgs from holding the pole near the doorway and instead let us all listen to him scream for 90 mins..
It took all my self control to not shout at her Just Let Him Hold The Fucking Pole..
Ime people leave their manners on the platform..

Sorry forgot that one!

I wonder if you had texted the BTP and asked them to pass on the message to the Underground (carriage, time etc) what would have happened? Trains to Amersham seem infrequent (sometimes have used the Metropolitan line to get to Wembley), so easy enough to identify the train.

After all, kicking someone is an assault technically.

Jesus, that's bad even for the tube over half term! I swear people are getting worse. I've definitely noticed worse behaviour in schools recently (through work).

It does sound awful but just for balance, in the reasonably big city we live in I would consider it unusual for behaviour that bad. Maybe a kid would try it but their parents would intervene.

I’d imagine it’s a bit worse in/near London as people get into that commuter mentality.

Around here most of the mums are all falling over each other to be polite and no obstructive to everyone else as we all feel so judged for existing and are desperate to be seen to be bringing our kids up politely.

I say that as someone who is really stressed out by anything of the sort e.g antisocial behaviour.

All that said, the second the sun comes out in the U.K. everyone seems to start acting massively irrationally regardless of if they are a business man or a 12 year old.

UANBU though.

So there were around 12+ total people seated in the carriage and you blame one women with children because pensioners were standing? What about everyone else? It seems highly unlikely that every other person sitting were either pregnant, old or not able to stand.

I guess you were so busy looking to find fault with parents and children that you failed to notice the daily stream of antisocial arseholes who are always on the tube - people who knock you with their massive backpacks, perfectly able bodied adults who don't offer seats, man spreaders, people who listen to music without headphones, people drinking in big groups. Were none of them out today?

Not much point in telling Mumsnet about this now - might have been better to speak up at the time…..

It's not just the kids. There are many grown ups behaving like RL internet trolls out in public in front of their kids. It's like they have been conditioned into becoming trolls online and are now presenting that behaviour as their main personality (probably to replace zero personality tbf). It is just awful.

On my tube home this evening a mother had parked her oversized pram in the aisle, blocking access to all the seats (she was sat by the door so anyone wanting to sit down had to climb / step over her pram.

If you can't stow your pram away, stand with it in the open area.

No need for this thread - we all know the latest bunch of parents are shit at it & let their kids run riot.

I'm always extremely smug that I can just walk away from the little eejits & that I won't be stuck with them for the rest of my life 😂

i think my shit behaviour on the tube today story tops this… and I don’t think they were even kids!

Two guys, maybe 17-19 got on the tube opposite my young children. All joggers, balaclavas and black puffer jackets. It was HOT, yet many layers. Stupid chat, all ‘I put a clip in him… mash up dem… nah, I cut him…’. Right in front of them, spreading everywhere like a parody. Suddenly they pulled face coverings, full masks, like a thick stocking material and shouted this is an armed robbery! Whilst flashing a metal comb around! With just me and two young girls in my section of the carriage for an audience to the performance.

Clearly thought it was tough/ funny to scare kids in the middle of the day.

Im still annoyed now at the performance

I'm not much of a train user but this is a lot like how I feel. Some people are just looking to point out poor parenting. I was in Lidl yesterday with my 3 & 7 year olds, bought them a kinder surprise as a very rare treat, both were quite vocal at their surprise once they realised at the till. The pensioner behind me in the queue was really struggling to keep her disapproval to herself.
There's lots of poor parenting around here but there's also lots of people just waiting to criticise you for anything they consider not 100% proper behaviour.

For balance, I went to South Ken and then onto Tower Hill and all the kids were brilliantly behaved. The adults were being dicks, there was a lady with a baby on board badge who didn't get a seat (the kids were mostly standing).

you blame one women with children because pensioners were standing?

Because the children should have been prompted by their parent to offer their seats to the older women. Children should not be sitting down while adults are standing.

This is Transport Police stuff

Text 61016 (I think) while you’re on the train.

I don’t agree that a healthy 40 year old is any more entitled to a seat than a 10 year old.

The women in question were not 40 though. They were much older according to the OP.

The children sitting/adults standing thread happens every half term and holiday. Some people think it's safer for smaller bodies to be seated & not flung around when train stops, or hit in the face with bags. Some think that younger legs have more energy and children are more able to be in positions adults might find uncomfortable.

Also some have a sort of innate idea that children need to learn to put others first, or have generally a more cushy life than adults, or need to be deferential, so should stand. Others think children and adults are more equal, so it should be first come first served.

There. Now we don't have to do the thread again.

We can all get on with the other boring topic of are children and parents ruder today than at some unspecified time in the past.

No she was blaming one woman for her sons pushing two elderly women out of the way when they were about to sit on recently vacated seats.

Sorry two women and their sons that should have been.

Well the healthy 40 year old has paid to travel therefore I do think they are more entitled to a seat than a 10 year old who is travelling for free.

This is the most ridiculous argument. Pensioners travel for free too so should they not get a seat? Seats should go to those who need them the most first (the elderly, the disabled, pregnant women and children who are too small to stand safely). And after that it first come first served. A ten year old is just as entitled to a seat as a healthy forty year old.

It is not possible to judge another humans health by how old they look. There could be all manner of things wrong with them that are not readily visible.

Fully agree about the lowering behaviour standards these days though 😞

Local councils pay for children to travel, and people 60+ don’t pay … so should they stand over a healthy 40 year old?