Children on trains / tube

[uneffingbelievable]

It is half term and everyone is out and about which is great to see, the tubes and trains are busy for everyone. However, the behaviours of some of the children and by that - I mean 9-12ish are simply appalling. Likewise the parents / grandparents with pushchairs.
Exmaples:
Pushchairs do not give you the right to ram then into a fellow passengers legs, on a busy train, park the wheel on their foot and not utter one word of apology to the injured party.

The two mothers on the Metropolitan line train to Amersham last night you should be proud of how you are bringing up you children. That you let your two 10-11 yr old boys think it is OK to physically push two women out of the way who were about to sit down on two just being vacated seats, speaks volumes on your manners. Your little darlings then proceed to swing their legs kicking the people infront of them, until you pushed the women out the way and stood infront of your entitled little brats. Not one word of apology. That you let two boys sit whilst quite clearly pensioners 70+ were forced to stand the whole journey shows yours and your childrens manners are appalling.

There is not hope for your children when two adults allow such appalling behaviour and do not have the grace to apologise to those people your children assaulted.

Your both need a lesson in manners and social etiquette because your children have no hope of learning anything from your current standards. My 14 year old was appalled!

Adults are far safer to stand than children. Adults should be giving up their seats before children who are far more likely to fall over and injure themselves or someone else.

By that logic short adults should also get priority. I can’t use the hanging straps because while I can just about reach them I’m left with no purchase on the floor so am at risk of swinging about and hitting people.

Over 60s travel free on the tube??? Why did I not know this? I always pay!

You do need to live locally.

https://tfl.gov.uk/fares/free-and-discounted-travel/60-plus-oyster-photocard?intcmp=54724

Maybe try the vertical grab poles. I’m short too and no way can I reach the straps or the higher up horizontal poles.

@karmakameleon
thank you, I don’t live in London so not eligible. I imagine many over 60s will also have paid for their travel as they are visitors/tourists.
We were able to use our Warwickshire issued bus passes on London buses last week, which was good.

I have no way of texting on the tube.
They bounced off masked up at Oxford Circus, almost landing on station staff so I’m sure they were seen. I was getting off until the end of the line- by then lots would have seen them staff wise.
They clearly just thought they were big and funny. One looked sheepish and pulled it down after a dirty look, and combed his hair like he intended it all along and the other sulked until the next stop. They were clearly playing dress up

The 40 year old, unless they have a disability, would be paying for their seat the 10 year old would not be.

Pensioners, disabled and pregnant women are in a category where they should be offered seats for mobility reasons.

A small child like mine who is under 5 should be siting on my lap on a full train/tube/bus, or she will sit (in a seat larger people don't want) and I stand.

What if you don’t get a seat? What if you’re offered a seat and choose to stand and give it to your toddler, is that allowed? Where are these seats that larger people don’t want because I’m quite a small adult (many ten year olds are bigger than me) and these could be useful to me after a long day at work.

Yet another nice try at deflection by you in this thread. On buses children AND older people travel free because the local authority pays for them both. There's a government page I've linked to which links to various pdf's explaining how local government travel authorities REIMBURSE bus companies for older and disabled people. Older people have to apply for a pass so that this reimbursement can happen. They don't just brandish a birth certificate and get on cackling because they're depriving the bus company of money. Why are you so desperately deflecting from the fact two young children PUSHED elderly people (not people of 40 which you vainly tried to claim) out of the way as they were trying to sit down. Why do defensive of bad behaviour? Were the two badly behaved children yours? Would be just as defensive of adults of any age who shoved children out of the way as they were trying to sit? I suspect not so pull your ageist head out of your ageist arse. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-reimbursing-bus-operators-for-concessionary-travel

Children can sit cross-legged on the floor. My 5yo often does this if they get tired of standing.

I’ve had my children do this when they are little but conscious that they then become a trip hazard.

This type of parent wouldn't care.

I was on the tube and saw this boy of about 7 or 8 kicking his legs out and occasionally kicking another passenger. He was smirking and clearly after doing this a few times in was no accident. The lady he kicked said to him 'It's not nice to kick others' and the boy stopped. When getting off, the father told the woman 'Don't you tell my son what to do!' And had a go at her. Not a word of apology.

I try to sit my DC up against the sides, not in the middle of the standing-area on the bus/tube. But I agree, something to consider. My DC actually prefers to stand on buses/tubes most of the time since they find sitting boring 😂. I have to make them take a seat if there are seats available.

@AnotherForumUser You're making utter nonsense up. My reply was to a poster who said children should always stand for adults, not elderly people, able adults. You're waffling on about a whole load of stuff totally irrelevant to anything I've actually said.

On the train a small child who spent the entire journey shouting "train" every time he saw a train, whilst sat, on a train. Mother smiling indulgently at her terribly clever child. 😡

You gave your seat up didn't you op?

Why didn't you say something

What vile people 🤐

@KnittedCardi i had a kid like that today in the bus
🤯🤯😤😤😤

Oh come on! That isn't 'bad' behaviour, it sounds like the child must have been a toddler. This is just verging on children must be seen and not heard stuff. Getting excited over a train is hardly comparable to a 10 year old being a little shit and kicking people or tripping people up.

I tried to get a seat on the district line the other day, but a whole row was taken out by a row of buggies. The children were roaming freely. I hate the district line during school holidays!

I tend to have the opposite problem! we use park and ride and tram quite often and Im getting on a bit so my legs get quite stiff sitting in the car for 40 minutes. So when we get on the tram I prefer to stand. The trouble is that youngsters are so polite round our way that one of them always offers me a seat! Naturally I take it with profuse thanks!!

Nonsense, why are of the other people more entitled to a seat than those kids? Why should the kids be the ones to give up their seats ahead of other adults, where it’s safe to presume at least some are healthy enough to give up their seats for the older people?

Sissynova · Yesterday 21:09
So there were around 12+ total people seated in the carriage and you blame one women with children because pensioners were standing
No she's blaming one woman who let her children shove the pensioners out of the way as they were sitting.

Sissynova · Today 07:48
Local councils pay for children to travel, and people 60+ don’t pay
So then either both groups don't pay or both groups are paid for by local councils. The way this is phrased you are bleating that it's ok for children to travel free because local councils pay for them but those pensioners simply don't pay. No mention that councils also pay for them.