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To think Phillip schofield scandal is homophobia?

913 replies

ivfregret · 01/06/2023 00:00

Have I missed something in that the guy Philip had the affair with was not a minor?

He was a minor when they met, as was Cheryl Cole and Liam Payne for example and no one has anything bad to say about that relationship.

I'm not sticking up for Philip and really dislike him, and also think even if the runner was above the age of consent is most definitely questionable behaviour but I can't help think of it was a heterosexual affair it would not be treated in the same way?

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ProfessorXtra · 01/06/2023 08:13

ivfregret · 01/06/2023 07:51

Once again (because MUMSNET never seem to read posts properly!)

I never said what Philip done was ok - but I said the deal being made over it is way way bigger than I wouldn't expect that's all!

But it’s not bigger than expected.

Theres possibility of grooming. Abuse of power. An affair. A peadophile brother who PS told to just not do it again. The cover up of what he did with this young man AND the fact that the whole culture there has been, allegedly, very toxic. To guests, to other members of staff. The fact that anyone who wasn’t happy with the culture was pushed out.

The story isn’t just PS. It’s the culture that allowed it to happen and silence anyone who objected.

OCarumba · 01/06/2023 08:13

Hehehejeiej · 01/06/2023 00:03

If you had any experience of mentoring a young person who wants to break into a highly competitive industry you would know how vulnerable they are and how disgusting Philip Schofield is. Nothing to do with his sexuality.

Yup

Hungrycaterpillarsmummy · 01/06/2023 08:14

The boy was groomed by ps before he was legal age though. It's not homophobia

TantalisingCantaloupe · 01/06/2023 08:15

What's homophobic, is the way some people are defending a bloke who pretty evidently groomed a child, simply because both man and child are male and gay.

Gay men have spent bloody decades moving past the homophobic, dispicable views that gay also probably means a child abuser (once pretty widely held views). Yet, here we are still. Rich, celebrity gay man grooms a child and it's because he's gay, brave and has a fab coming out story. Not because he's a dirty, nepotistic nonce - he's gay! Special!

The man groomed a child. I hope he rots, like I do every child abuser. I hope he rots for using his own sexuality as a screen for his abuse too. Dispicable scum.

VegetablesFightingToReclaimTheAubergieneEmoji · 01/06/2023 08:17

I think people might have been more confident to report it and bosses may have taken more action but they were worried about being called homophobic themselves.
like people being worried about being called racist.

mumda · 01/06/2023 08:17

Weinstein got away with so much because of his position of power.

People in positions of power should always check their power levels in their personal relationships.

Don't have relationships with people much junior to you where it might be perceived that you have exerted influence.

OCarumba · 01/06/2023 08:18

IAmAnIdiot123 · 01/06/2023 07:31

I think it's more to do with PS treating people like scum for years and years. He forgot to treat people well on the way up so you still have friends on the way back down.

Yes you get the impression he was quite bumptious and a bit of a prick behind the scenes (him and HW just ooze(d) smug self-satisfaction) and it seems lots of people are not sorry to see him exposed

butterpuffed · 01/06/2023 08:18

All these ongoing threads [only read a bit of this one] about PS in here emanate from him being all over the news for so long . I think he's being made a scapegoat and he's probably just the key to the lock , which will be discovered in due course .

Freefall212 · 01/06/2023 08:20

What is the evidence people are using to support their assertion that he groomed a child / underage teen? What evidence do you have of contact between them before he was 18?

The only things I have seen is that the runner was in a group picture of a theatre group that Philip paid a visit to, and that Philip followed the runner's twitter account.

What am I missing that it out there?

Quitelikeit · 01/06/2023 08:20

ivfregret · 01/06/2023 07:51

Once again (because MUMSNET never seem to read posts properly!)

I never said what Philip done was ok - but I said the deal being made over it is way way bigger than I wouldn't expect that's all!

ARE YOU FOR REAL

you stated that the scandal was related to homophobia

you are way off the mark as I couldn’t care less where he dips his stick!!!!

Did you look at the link I posted?

That’s what I have an issue with!!!

Interestingly the woke ITV chief might have felt protective of his sexuality and may have tried to protect him!!!

heads need to roll!

NectarCard · 01/06/2023 08:23

It’s nowt to do with his sexuality. Regardless of whether the runner was male or female - it’s all entirely wrong

CaroleSinger · 01/06/2023 08:24

AllGussiedUp · 01/06/2023 00:11

🙄

He groomed this lad from when he was a child. He had contact with him throughout childhood, got him a job and then started having sex with him when it was ‘legal’. This wasn’t a relationship, it was grooming and abuse. There was an imbalance of power. He lied to everyone. He is a predator.

Although I’m often not a fan of age gap relationships, Cheryl met Liam at an audition, a public one. There’s nothing to suggest she had contact with him or groomed him after that. She then met him as an adult, he was as famous, probably more famous, as rich etc, he’d travelled the world and had life experience. After a time they appeared in public together, they were a proper couple. There was no imbalance, no cover ups.

Suspicious behaviour from you trying to say it’s homophobia and make comparisons where there are none. Fuck all go do with homophobia abc everything to do with him being a predator.

Do we have evidence that Schofield groomed him? Do we have evidence Cheryl didn't?

Unfortunately all we do have is opinion and speculation which isn't proof.

Gtsr443 · 01/06/2023 08:26

Yes OP there's a whiff of homophobia because the gutter press and GB News are all over this.

The fact that absolute fucking detritus like Wootton and Eammon Holmes and Kerry bloody Katona and Kim Woodburn are jumping up and down in the tabloids says it all.

But PS appears to have exploited his position with a starstruck young man. And he didn't act promptly regarding his paedophile brother. And he lied to his bosses and his management.
His career is over.

Quitelikeit · 01/06/2023 08:27

if you knew someone when they were a minor and then developed a relationship with them when you are 40 years older it is enough to question the type of person that would do such a thing?!

And it is made more complex by his brother being gay and interested in children

Lostinalibrary · 01/06/2023 08:29

What’s homophobic is people falling over themselves to defend grooming because he has used the sexuality card as a shield.

Mainly from middle aged women.

CaroleSinger · 01/06/2023 08:29

TantalisingCantaloupe · 01/06/2023 08:15

What's homophobic, is the way some people are defending a bloke who pretty evidently groomed a child, simply because both man and child are male and gay.

Gay men have spent bloody decades moving past the homophobic, dispicable views that gay also probably means a child abuser (once pretty widely held views). Yet, here we are still. Rich, celebrity gay man grooms a child and it's because he's gay, brave and has a fab coming out story. Not because he's a dirty, nepotistic nonce - he's gay! Special!

The man groomed a child. I hope he rots, like I do every child abuser. I hope he rots for using his own sexuality as a screen for his abuse too. Dispicable scum.

Evidently? Can you please post the evidence? I mean something a court would consider evidence, not speculation or personal opinion. Concrete evidence, ie proof.

Creative33 · 01/06/2023 08:30

YABU

He groomed him

Paedophilia is quite a different kettle of fish

PledgeNo · 01/06/2023 08:32

JingsMahBucket · 01/06/2023 06:20

@ivfregret YANBU. There’s definitely a homophobia vibe going around. Like “See, we knew we couldn’t trust them” even though most grooming is done by heterosexual men.

Are you a smash heteronomarive type?

99℅ of men are heterosexual 🤔

Hellenabe · 01/06/2023 08:33

Who is this Simon Schofield character? Are they insinuating he was groomed, then groomed MM together?

LostFrog · 01/06/2023 08:33

I don’t know if it’s homophobia, but I agree that the public reaction is bigger than I would expect. Maybe people just didn’t like him and were waiting for a concrete reason not to. He always seemed nice to me, but I didn’t want watch This Morning so I’m basing that off CBBC about 35 years ago! Maybe it is also the context of his brother.

thecatsthecats · 01/06/2023 08:34

I think Rylan would have a very different view on whether it's homophobia.

Funnily enough, I only see straight people crying homophobia. Gay people I know have no problem with it being called out for the grooming it is.

Elfandwellbeing · 01/06/2023 08:35

YABU and blind… this is about grooming and power in balance.

incognitodorrito · 01/06/2023 08:35

If my son were 18 and came out as gay and with a similarly aged boyfriend, of course I’d be happy for him. However if he were to come out at 28, then tell us his boyfriend was in his late fifties/ early sixties all sorts of alarm bells would be ringing. It’s all kinds of wrongs and PS has likely been doing this sort of thing for years…

thecatsthecats · 01/06/2023 08:35

Also, it's pretty homophobic to deny gay people the agency to do bad things and be punished for them like anyone else. They're not some lesser species that doesn't need to be held to our standards. And they don't want to be.

incognitodorrito · 01/06/2023 08:36

incognitodorrito · 01/06/2023 08:35

If my son were 18 and came out as gay and with a similarly aged boyfriend, of course I’d be happy for him. However if he were to come out at 28, then tell us his boyfriend was in his late fifties/ early sixties all sorts of alarm bells would be ringing. It’s all kinds of wrongs and PS has likely been doing this sort of thing for years…

Oh FFS, I meant 18 not 28 … Mumsnet needs an Edit button !!